Reworks to balance

Ninja can't be invisible near an enemy?

Oh heck no.

 

The archer one is an interesting concept.
Heavy doesn't need a buff. It's simple so new players can learn the game easily, and is rarely ever complained about ("look at that flying heavy" not in consideration).
The medic one reduces teamwork and makes medics a nightmare. Imagine a flag carrier surrounded by two or three medics that don't even have to heal him.
The no fall damage is a big part of soldier, but I suppose halving the damage is a solution to any who complain about it. I don't like the wall climbing concept however, sorry.
Assassin probably could use a rework, but isn't in need of one as much as classes like dwarf or pyro or necro.
The chemist one does nothing to help pot spam. Doesn't fix the main problem of chemist in the slightest.
The dwarf one, like chemist, does not fix the main problem. It still means a dwarf can camp a flag room like a rock holding shift and swinging an op sword.
Engineer? Meh, maybe a few tweaks, but hardly in need of such changes. It received a huge rework on MCPvP already. I think reducing turret health is pointless, they don't even take that long to break if you can get up to them. Cake regen is fine, it regens health but not items. Seems balanced on that aspect. Remove monster eggs? No. Sorry, but that will have no happy ending. They exist for a reason. A turret or two in the flag room and you don't even need defense. Turrets are powerful, and can successfuly be used to block off certain map routes, but should in no case be in the flag room.
Considering how some (95% estimate) mages spam their damage spell, having it increase in damage per hit will make it no less op. Freezing an enemy and leaving them unable to do anything while frozen is a bad idea. When an enemy is frozen, they barely have time to get out of the mage's way once the ice is gone. Making them unable to do anything while frozen has a good chance of making almost every kill easier for mages. And freezing the turret for seven seconds means they can be broken far too easily.
The necro one is interesting, but.. Imagine killing a heavy. A zombie in diamond? With a diamond sword? No thanks.
Ninja also probably does not need a rework. Like engineer, it was recently reworked on MCPvP, and very well. But making redstone useless by enemies defeats the point of redstone, and would also defeat the point of the rework change where hitting an enemy renders your redstone unusable momentarily.
I dislike pyro having no instakill. But that's my opinion. I still think this changes pyro's ability a little too much, referring to the bow. Not only that, but a troll shooting their bow a bunch could set the entire map aflame. So perhaps sticking to setting players on fire I'd a better idea.

I did like some concepts, but most of these don't really change gameplay in a positive way or fix the things people hatd about certain classes.

 

For example the Archer thing is a really interesting idea

 

The archer one is by far the best archer rework EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER to have EVER existed. Also I think I came up with the "the further away the arrow goes the more damage it deals" concept before you but never actually got around to telling it to the public.

 

That concept has already been used in many many archer reworks on MCPvP.

 

Oh. That means that I was by no means the first.

 

So instead, the mods will just implement their own ignoring the tons of good reworks on the forums

All these reworks can be developed further to improve ctf.

This could actually improve gameplay greatly in ctf and finally make it a balanced gamemode. Also, balancing isn't all about nerfing classes, it's about buffing some too.

Where does thie change the game in a non positive way? I personally see a much more fun game where every class will be useful to capture the flag

 

And I thought archers were annoying because of their oneshot kill. 1 dmg per 1.5 blocks means 10 hearts dmg at 30 blocks distance...basically instakill. Given the increasing dmg it is actually a buff imo.

 

Of course, this archer one is quite popular, but I don't think it's a good one. The first problem with it is that it doesn't really solve all of the problems archer has. Yes, it's headshot is too good at countering long range, but equally speaking short range archer has the knockback 2 on the bow, which makes it a little too good defeating what should be able to counter it. This fix does not address that issue. it also doesn't fix the bowspam problem many people complain about. Secondly, with your current scaling, every 1.5 blocks it travels is an extra +1 damage. In theory you could kill a ninja at 30 blocks out, and anything else progressively more as the distance increases (assuming you don't want archer bows dealing true damage, it's flat 30 blocks for everything to do the full 20 health points needed to kill something. It's also not counting in the initial charged arrows power, which would further reduce the distance as the arrow would deal initial damage depending on how much it was charged, plus the longshot damage. I didn't include that in the first just to show how little a difference this is going to make). For a start, thats not making it much harder to headshot than it is now, which means it's not going to be very effective. Secondly, this is going to encourage archers to camp and randomkill long range because they can't kill as much short range. I can safely say nobody likes long range randomkilling archers, and so from what I gather you're going to make archer even more hated than it already is. Make the instakill harder? yes, with this scaling, slightly, but the side effects of making the problems associated with archer worse, it probably isn't worth it

 

I'll have you know I agree with the fact that removing these instakills would indeed make ctf more skill based, although there's already been a poll settling to keep instakills or not (instakills won).

I see no reason to remove instakills as they are a huge deal to noobs and players that have a bad framerate, however I think it makes more sense to make the instakill as difficult to perform yet still easy enough to not discourage people from playing the class

 

My opinion is this:
Heavy- It needs no change
Soldier- It needs a slight change but not the change like yours because it would make soldier mostly useless
Archer- It does the same amount damage as before with chemists + your idea
Medic- It needs no change
Ninja- It needs no change, your idea makes ninja almost impossible to use
Pyro- It has true damage instead of insta-kill
Assassin- It needs no change
Elf- It needs no change
Dwarf- Max level is 10 and can get sniped instead of losing half of its XP
Engineer- Limited amount per team and limited places to put the teleports, turrets, etc. Most turrets are place in front of main entrances which is really cheap. Your idea makes Engineer way more OP as it is already
Mage- It needs a cool-down on the damage spell since so many peeps playing this class just spam
Chemist- Increase cool-down on harmful pots (ex. damage) but not good ones(ex. health)
Nerco- Its needs a HUGE rework to even make it interesting

 

We all can agree that the next rework isn't going to come out for a while. And when it does, it will most likely become weaker than it use to be.

 

Heavy- should be more interesting. Right now heavy poses no use much in any field.
Soldier- His rework doesn't make it useless exactly. If you call wall spamming useful then its your problem
Archer- probably can be improvised
Medic- Noobs dont know that two hits= item restore with medic, this rework would popularise teamwork capping and no more solo capping
Pyro- Agreed
Assassin- It's the most broken class in the game. It's either to UP or too OP
Elf- Water ability is really difficult to produce, i'd change it to make it more easier, but not too easy to be abused with
Dwarf- Level 10 is already as unstoppable as it gets. Buff it and it instakills soldier
Engineer- I think he more properly means to keep stone monster blocks in entrances, rather less in the open field where it is meant to be.
Mage- The cooldown doesn't help mage's physical weakness. His proposal promises more skill with the class
Chemist- Increasing cooldown for harmful pots will make it more difficult if not impossible to do pot combos.
Necro- I think this idea makes the class interesting enough to play in the open field

 

Is the post edited yet? Because the comments are tl and dr. I'll respond later

 

I really like the necro one.

 

----------------------------------------------------------------People's learning methods change throughout the years about classes since others find a different method of using them. For example, install capping. Rarely anyone knew this method of capping in the earlier years. Few years ago or so, it was one of ninja's main techniques to cap. What did the mods/coders do? Simple, they reworked the class to the point where it has pleased many to eliminate "cheeky" caps. *Note* all I'm implying is to please the community by giving them a choice on what they would like to see next (aka polls). I would propose a forum post (organized by the mods) about the next update ctf will get *Note* on classes and what the community would like instead of having multiple rework posts about the same concept.
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Now I read it HOLY SMOKES. This is probably best ideas post I ever read. Kudos to you.
I'll check out the comments later and I'll space my words so it's easier to read, unlike other comments....

Archer: Agreed, but to solve the "LordChaos" Problem, remove Punch 2.


Also, armor should also affect the damage. Each half-armor point blocks 4% of the damage. So calculate that. I feel like a complete nerd.

x=the distance
D= total damage
a- armor points
total armor points(A)= (a*0.04)
true damage(T)= x/1.5
D= T*A or D= (x/1.5)*(a*0.04)

The enemy is 3 blocks away. And he has full iron armor (15 armor points)

D= (3/1.5)*(15*0.04)
D= 2*0.6= 1.2 hearts of damage.

This is just to help out some peeps.



Heavy: I can't believe no one thought of the instakill idea. But I do agree with Xelia, heavy is supposed to be a simple class for new players. They won't know insta kills actually exists if they change to another class. But they can lean right?



Medic: This one is also ok. But maybe the player can regenerate even faster if the medic hits the player.
Also when a medic hits a player the items are return automatically. Because it's annoying how some medics doesn't know how to use medic.

I'm sure that there's a reason why you have hit them twice, maybe you can't return the items and heal them at the same time. @NomNuggetNom


Soldier: Xelia already mentioned the problems, but I like how you can't wall climb forever, since most "walls" don't need 6 "jumps" to get over.

Also it doesn't solve the camping part, because well, if you got up to a high place no other classes can reach (except Soldier and Ninja), then you're just going to stay there, right? So you're still camping at that high spot.


Assassin: This is the one I don't agree, since I like to play assassin. Assassin was created so it can recover the flag easily, because it's really hard to kill a flag carrier, especially a soldier. So maybe it can assassinate flag carriers instead (not blocking). And do high damage to non-flag carriers.

But at the same time, I don't think assassin needs a rework. All you have to do is to block. and you won't get assassinated. If they hit you, just hit the back and immediately block again in case they didn't use assassinate. If you got randomly killed from behind or you have bad internet.... THAT'S TOO BAD.


Chemist: Agreed, it does solve Chemist's large healthpool, you should also remove Speed I because they're hard to catch up. Or neglect the Speed 1 if they have the flag or has taken damage for 3 seconds.

@Xelia_ what is the main problem with chemist right now? Is it the tankiness or the pot spamm-uhh i-ness? If they have the flag then they can't throw potions other than the "positive" potions, (Healing, Strength, Regen)

Personally I don't think the pot spam is very troubling.



Dwarf: Agreed


Elf: The problem with elf(I think) is the high damage output, and it's annoying like a fly.
Elf can easily escape from battle and does high damage both melee and range.


Engineer: One of my favorite classes.
@Xelia_ uhh, I agree with @Rabious, you can't place turrets in flagrooms.
Don't reduce turret health, turret health is easy to break, especially if your heavy.

Also, I get overwhelmed by sheer number of players sometimes, when someone breaks my regenerator, hitting me and breaking my turret at the same time. Turrets can only aim at one person and it stays on that person until its's killed or is out of range. Like a skeleton or zombie.

Don't reduce regenerator time, because you can easily break a regenerator. But I do like back in the day when you can get your items back. There's a reason why there's monster eggs, it's to prevent players from abusing op engineer spots.

I think teleporters should be the only structure that can be placed on monster eggs and is the only structure to have the one block rule.


Mage and Necro: Agree.

Are you saying that with this rework, necro can beat a heavy every time!?


Ninja: The only thing about Ninja I liked are the buffs, so point 1 and 5. The rest of the points just makes ninja harder to play. 414 and ghostcapping are supposedly fixed in the last update, which is true. Even if there is then it will be fixed. Redstone is to help ninja survive longer, since it has very low armor(no armor).

Also any class can be sneaky, just crouch behind a 2 tall block. Redstone helps the ninja be even sneakier and it does kind of defeat the purpose if you can't go past an enemy without being seen. I'm siding with @Xelia_ with this one.


Pyro: Pyro is a defensive, recov class. Maybe you die when you're facing a pyro, but sooner or later the pyro is going to die too. I'm not saying pyro is a perfectly balanced class, but the ideas you gave just make feel pyro is going to be nerfed really bad and nobody wants to buy/use it.

You said that having a class that outclass another class is bad. But most of these "broken" classes are premium classes.

People pay real life money to have them. What's the point of buying a class if that class is not going to give me a slight edge in combat?

Anyways, I like your ideas, but some ideas are just going to nerf some classes really bad.

Also, here's a piece of advice, 90% of life is how I react to it.
Or in other words, be like that girl waving a green onion in your gif.

 

I honestly only like the necro one, but imagine getting a lucky ass dwarf kill. That zombie would be OPAF.