Idea Miskey's new and improved necro rework.

i didn't read the rework but there are definitely less necros than there used to be. it would be nice to give the class some new life

 

The problem with using mobs with necro imo is that it's pretty luck based, and really based on the mobs crappy ai. While the concept is a heck of a lot better then the current necro, I still feel like necro should move away from using the mob ai as much as possible.

 

i love it, penetrate me more

 

I've noticed the Necro class isn't used very often, this rework would encourage more people to use the class. The zombies are very easy to run past, and adding these new mobs would make the class more interesting. I would enjoy to see this added.

 

I loved Necro sososo much, but it's useless right now. I'd love to see the class come back in all its glory.
I'm a little bit confused on what the enderman does, though.

 

TBH this is the best necro rework +1

 

I like it, could make necro far more fun to play. I'm not sure how this would play out with the endermen and snow golems, but it would be cool to test it. +1

 

I really like the re-work, but I think there should be a easier way to be able to spawn your mobs. Its just inventory stuff that I wouldn't want to deal with all of it. Maybe they should keep the spawner, but find a new and easier way to become stronger such as probably how long you have installed. I think its just too much in my opinion

 

-1 Here's why I'm not a fan of this rework:

I have a big problem with this aspect of the rework. If Necro is in the middle of combat it will need to be able to spawn its mobs as quickly as possible and a 5 second delay is an awfully long wait time. What I see a 'wait period' doing is making Necro less useful in random combat situations, which is really bad considering that mobs are already not that useful without a wait period. This makes that situation worse.

I like this idea, it's cool

This is another issue I have with this rework, the weak mobs. For instance, current zombies are not only slow but they are excessively dumb (they even make zombies in the Walking Dead seem like Stephen Hawking!), wander around in random places, and get almost no kills. I greatly question your logic in leaving zombies the same in this rework when they so badly need a buff of some kind to be actually useful.

I think being able to spawn snow golems that can run around and slow down enemies is a cool idea and could potentially aide in recovery. However, there are a lot of problems with this. For one thing, snow golems are extremely volatile so they could be taken down very quickly before actually being able to do anything. Furthermore, since they do not deal any damage I don't really see them being useful rather than just an annoyance. I mean, as you state above, snow golems just wander around so its not like the Necro can coordinate them to stay around the flag (to slow down flag carriers) or near anything really, to actually be helpful.

How significantly nerfed is this damage? From what I'm getting here, the endermen would basically be the only reliable source of decent damage that Necro could get from their mobs so it'd be great if you could specify that a lot more.

However, if the enderman's damage is as weak as I think it is - based on the impression I'm getting from your rework - then this hardly compensates for the snow golems and the zombies both of whom either deal very little or no damage at all.

I, or almost any Necro can tell you, current zombies are almost useless so the only way a zombie could end up getting a kill or dealing any meaningful damage is to a class with little/no armor or against someone with very limited health.

Exactly, snow golems can slow cappers but there's literally no effective way to control the mobs that I see in this rework aside from killing them and then re-spawning the mobs. And that obviously much less efficient than being able to simply control your mobs when they are alive than having to re-spawn them all the time.

While the red-stone torch mechanic is interesting, I have a very hard time believing that it would be that useful. What you've done in this rework is you have given Necro a way to spawn their mobs wherever they want. But at the same time you've made that far less effective than it should be by making most of the mobs REALLY weak, with low AI and by adding a 5 second cool-down for spawning mobs. As I have already hinted at earlier in this post, it's utterly contradictory because the low AI and the cool-down to spawn mobs makes this process very inefficient! I mean, if I were to play this Necro I do not see myself spawning a snow golem in the flag-room (to use your previous example) and slowing down the capper and getting a recovery because that would rely on three things happening:

1) The snow golem not dying before its actually able to do anything.
2) The snow golem being able to actually hit its target before they escape the flag room.
3) Assuming that the slowness (slowness one) effect will actually lead to a recovery.

Naturally, all of these things happening at once is pretty unlikely considering the varying nature of flag rooms, the excessive mobility of the capturing classes (Soldier, Chemist, even Elf), and the volatility of snow golems. Therefore, the red-stone torch gimmick does not solve the issue of wandering mobs, although it makes a very flawed attempt to do so.

Therefore the biggest issues I see with this rework are:

- Lack of any effective way to control mobs, aside from killing them and re-spawning them one at a time, every 5 seconds, which is a horrible way to do it.
- Excessive dependence on VERY BAD mob AI.
- Weak mobs. Either they deal too little damage or none at all and considering that this Necro is fairly dependent on its mobs, this is not good.

Suggestions for improvement:

- Give Necro some way to control its mobs so that way they don't wander all over the place. Currently, zombie AI is so low they will actually wander off the side of the map into the void and it would be nice to be able to control them so they actually... help.
- Increase mob AI.
- Add mobs that deal more damage or increase damage and/or health pool on the snow golems.
- To reiterate what @obikenobi21 said, I'd like to see Necro be less dependent on horrible mob AI in general. One very interesting way to do this is can be found in this Necro rework. The nice thing about it is that reducing Necro's dependency on its mobs would make it much more interactive and fun

 

I'd like to see it reduced then Right now the cool-down is so long that it pretty much allows you to place one mob in a situation when you may need 2,3,4, or even 5 (like when being attacked by a Chemist)

That's what I figured but the problem is the zombies suck. They're either too slow or too stupid to do much of anything, and the only way to fix that is to give them more buffs. Right now this rework seems to make Necro rely very heavily on Endermen, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it doesn't give it any other mobs with offensive capabilities that can actually be fairly useful in getting kills.

That works nicely in theory but you're making a rather large assumption in practice to say that a snow golem is going to have a realistic chance at stopping someone from escaping with the flag - such as a Soldier.

I agree that higher AI would make things a bit better but I'd still like to see this Necro be a little more interactive. I mean, the main difference I see with this Necro and current Necro is that you can put your creatures in useful places (Snow Golems in flagrooms) but like with current Necro its not a guarantee that they will actually do anything.

EDIT: Thank you for taking the time to respond.

-Admiral

 

Ahhhh ok. I was a bit confused on if it had something special like the snow golem. Thanks for clarifying!

 

Look @NomNuggetNom! This could be your next (and finally useful) "spooky" project!

 

lol shyguy put a spawner near flag on opposites collide, 4 minutes later the entire flagroom was flooded with zombies and I couldnt cap ;-;