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Why MinecraftParty is failing and how to fix it - Polished and Clean

Discussion in 'MinecraftParty Deluxe' started by Lugia_, Sep 18, 2016.

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Do you think that these ideas will help?

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  1. Lugia_

    Lugia_ support =D

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    Here's the original. Now, I will polish it up and make it clear as to what needs to happen.

    Side Note: I am aware that this game doesn't have any coders. But, in order for this gamemode to be successful, it needs some attention. It doesn't need much, it's not like we're re-coding Wild West twenty times over. It just needs something. That's the only way this gamemode is going to be successful, as well as the others.
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    Games that need to be removed:
    • The potion-drinking game;
    • The chicken game;
    • The mining game;
    • The sheep sheer game;
    • The block placing game.
    These games all have one thing in common; they require no skill what-so-ever.

    The potion-drinking game is not only skill-less, but buggy as well. The entire concept of the game is to drink potions that fall from the sky, except the actual game doesn't work because the potions fall and fill up your inventory faster than the person taking the damage can handle. The potions then aren't chuggable, causing deaths that shouldn't have actually happened. The potions are also dropped randomly, and the game is quite long. It's also boring, an eyesore, and if you hit with a potion in your hand, you will be kicked for "flying."

    The chicken game is outright boring. The entire concept is to run around and kill chickens for one point, cows for three points, and -50% chickens are spawned in to make the game "harder." However, anyone that can tell which colour is pink, white, and gold will win, and there is nothing fun about hitting chickens for two minutes. This game needs to be removed since the concept is so bland and leaves players rather bored. There are also no power-ups that make it anymore interesting, and the time to code those in for such a poorly designed game is not worth it.

    The mining game is the best one of the five listed, but that doesn't mean it's a good game, even in the slightest. The game revolves around mining randomly generated blocks for like a minute or so, which means it is all luck and absolutely no skill. It's also quite dark for those who don't have their gamma turned up (which, I don't think a casual Minecraft player would know how to do, which is this games main audience.) Although the game goes fast, it's a little bit boring since there's nothing special about digging into the floor for randomly generated ores (which, have the same value every single time.)

    The sheep sheer game is quite boring as well, with the concept being to sheer sheep for about a minute or so. This game, unlike the others, does have more variety (each sheep is worth something more, and there is more value to it,) but it's still ridiculously boring. Like the chicken game, it's very poorly designed, rushed, and not fun to play.

    Finally, the block placing game is probably tied for the worst one of them all with the chicken game. It's pretty awful, all the player does is run around in a zig-zag placing blocks. Once you run in a zig-zag holding your mouse button down, you pretty much can't lose. The game is long for no reason, boring, and just another rushed game that tried to attract players, and fail.

    These games all display laziness from the staff team; the concept of "placing blocks" and "killing chickens" is awful, and seems rather rushed to try and gather an audience quickly (which, is clearly not working.) The target audience of MinecraftParty (which is primarily young children and bored people), are playing on servers with interesting games such as Mineplex and Hypixel. Those two servers don't have games that are extremely boring. I get that the whole idea is to make MinecraftParty fast-paced, but these five games are not the way to go about it.

    Games that can stay:
    • Musical Minecarts;
    • Parkour;
      • However, more variety in terms of maps needs to happen. The current one is far too predictable.
    • Shoot the Sheep
    • Hot TNT;
    • Snowball Fight;
      • One more map could improve this game, also needs better power-ups.
    • One in the Chamber;
    • Red Light, Green Light;
      • This game is a bit ping-based, but it's still one of the stronger games on the server.
    • Infect;
      • This game needs its own map, though. The current one is too large and campy, which it shouldn't be.
    • Red Alert;
    • Smoke Monster;
      • Just remember that some people play with particles off. Otherwise, this game is great.
    • Spleef;
      • This game does need a couple of improvements, though;
        • Smaller map (maybe do a three layer stack that is smaller in width and length rather than one open square. This prevents the 7-way tie problem that it has every time);
        • Needs to be shorter;
        • Needs better power-ups.
    • King of the Hill;
      • This game should be structured based on a tall ladder, though; not a platform. The time should also be shorter.
    • Assassin;
      • Could use a couple of power-ups.
    • That game where you run through the walls with speed.
      • The glitch where you start without speed needs to be fixed, though.
    I'm not going to write about every single game since they are fine, but I'll summarize it and say that most of these games will help MinecraftParty be more successful. They catch peoples attention, aren't insanely boring, and with a few improvements can be great games. These are games that people can play over and over again with their friends and have a good time. These are perfect for the games target audience.

    Games that can maybe stay:
    (These games aren't necessarily ideal, but they're not awful either.)
    • Horse Race;
    • Dead End;
    • Colour-Matching game.
    I am well aware that Horse Race is practically the staple to MinecraftParty, but this game isn't all that good. The game itself is fine, but the execution of it is absolutely awful. For players with bad connection, this game is an absolute nightmare. The maps are good...except that they are used wrong. At one point, there were like three Horse Race maps in a 20 game rotation, which means that of 20 games, 3 were just Horse Race. It was long, and insanely boring. What should be done is a rotation of maps for Horse Race;
    • Monday: Map A
    • Tuesday: Map B
    • Wednesday: Map A
    • Thursday: Map C
    • Friday: Map B
    • Saturday: Map A
    • Sunday: Map C
    Something along the lines of this should be ideal, so that the maps don't get necessarily "stale" and players look forward to their favourite Horse Race. Or, maybe add two into the rotation at a time;
    • Monday: Map A & B
    • Tuesday: Map C & D
    • Wednesday: Map E & F
    • Thursday: Map G & A
    • Friday: Map B & D
    • Saturday: Map C & E
    • Sunday: Map F & G
    Thank you @Chactation for organizing that for me.

    The whole point is to change it up so it doesn't get stale. There should be no more than two in rotation at a time, and they must alternate throughout the week. Repeats are okay, but there should not be maps that play two days in a row.

    If this system for Horse Race can be executed, it could be wonderful. Otherwise, it's going to remain bad.

    In terms of Dead End, the game isn't necessarily bad, but, if one game needs to be removed in place of a superior one, this one should be removed. It's just not great and it's not that entertaining. But, it holds the best power-up the server has to offer.

    The colour matching game is the same explanation as Dead End. It's not that it's bad, it's just not good compared to the others. Again, if a game needs to removed in place of a superior one, make it this game.

    Games that can be added:
    (These games are not my idea! Based on other servers and what my friends have created, as well as the forums.)
    • Soccer;
    • Building;
    • Wool Mix-Up;
    • Gladiator;
    • Mini Maze-Runner;
    • Delfino's Square Run.
    The Soccer game gets its influence from @DeZilla and @ReubenS. The teams are randomly sorted into red and blue (see: CTF.) Each player gets a stick with knockback, and has to hit the villager (ball) into the enemy teams goal. The game, to keep the fast-paced idea, would be two minutes or until three goals are scored by one team. Either number can be altered, but should not exceed three or four.

    The building game gets its influence from both Mineplex and Mario Party 8. In Mario Party 8, there is a game in which the player has to perfectly design a cake based on the picture given. In this game, players will have thirty or so seconds to replicate the design of the cake onto the base. The cake should NOT be the same every time. There should be about seven different cake designs to give the game some variety. Then, the game will automatically judge which design best replicates the example. Mineplex has a system that is able to do this for their building games (Gwen the Guardian.)

    Wool Mix-Up used to be a game on this server, and I'm unsure as to why it ever got removed. It seems that a lot of people enjoyed this game, just by reading the forums. Even if this game was "buggy", there are ways to fix it so that it's not. There are other servers that play a game similar to this, and don't experience issues. Please, bring this game back.

    Gladiator is a game based off Mineplex (the exact same name, too,) where players are randomly selected against each other and PvP to death. It would go rather quickly, since the fights don't take very much time. However, if one of these suggestions doesn't get added, make it this one; it's definitely the weakest.

    Mini Maze-Runner I read off the forums here, but I'm unsure as to whose suggestion it actually was. However, my idea for it makes it so that it's quick and fun. Players should be randomly divided into teams and spawn in a small starting arena. Players should have three minutes to navigate through a short, not complicated maze and take out the rest of the players. This game could potentially help the shop by adding kits that are balanced, however, for simplicity's sake, there probably shouldn't be any kits at all, but maybe an upgrade to a stone sword rather than a wooden one. The game should be extremely simple.

    The Delfino's Square Run I believe was created by @Pavocado but @ikemulti did a good job executing it and bringing people to play it. It originally started on build, so it's completely possible for this to be done on the server. Each player has speed two and runs around the map to get back to the finish line. The players should only be required to go around once for times sake. This game is extremely fun and simple, and it's super effective. I'm sure either of these two guys will give over the ID of the map if this idea gets accepted.

    Other:

    One of the main problems is that the shop has little to no use. I have like 11,000 coins but I have nothing to spend them on, since the shop isn't very helpful when it comes to power-ups. Everything is aesthetic, and the aesthetics aren't even good. With the addition of more power-ups and aesthetics, the shop should be able to become more prominent.

    Another thing is, the server is never advertised. In order to gain that target audience, the server needs to be advertised and have events. Like, there could be an event in which rank bonuses are turned off and out of 20 maps, whoever wins the most games wins a prize. This would bring more people to play the game, and learn how to speed run some of the courses.

    The scores of the games should be tracked throughout the entire 20 games. There should be a scoreboard saying who has the most points. (If I had won two games and got second in one, and Bob won one game and got second in two, I'd have more points than Bob and be in 1st place.) This makes it slightly more competitive, and makes players want to play more.

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    @Chap
    @chickenputty
    @Canoodle
    @Signatured
    @SoCool21
    @_Featherpaw_

    (Please share this around with people you know, these are just a couple of staff members that I could think of.)

    Thank you :smile:
     
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    #1 Lugia_, Sep 18, 2016
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  2. 19Cameron91

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  3. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    Help me. I cant read your grey writing...
     
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  4. Lugia_

    Lugia_ support =D

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    Try now
     
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  5. Kelsang

    Kelsang Brawler

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    These are some good ideas, but I personally like the potion game :V
     
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  6. theherman7

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    I like these Ideas, I'm a huge fan of Soccer. I do like the original Mining Game Personally.
     
  7. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    Agreed.
     
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  8. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    When party gets a dev I'll definitely bring this back up to them, but for now these suggestions seem to not be possible. Getting rid of any minigames right now without adding new ones would be counterproductive, and adding new games is out of the question for now.

    However, the party staff haven't forgotten about you, I promise. We have something in store for you guys very soon, so don't you worry! :wink:
     
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  9. Jager

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    Actually, Minecraftparty & Minecraftbuild have the biggest playerbase on brawl.
     
  10. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    Whoop de doo.

    There are more people in my house than there are on MinecraftParty.
     
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  11. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I mean. They aren't wrong. Mcparty is typically the most popular server, with competition from build occasionally.
     
  12. Jager

    Jager Well-Known Member

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    You must have a big ass house then.
     
  13. Harrryyyy

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    This sounds like a good idea.
     
  14. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member

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    A lot of these ideas are good and I think combined with a few of my game ideas mcparty could become a lot more popular with new games.
     
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  15. CherryBlossomss

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    I agree with pretty much everything you mentioned. I definitely think this would help minecraft party get back on its feet.
     
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  16. FearTheDoggos

    FearTheDoggos Ex- WildWest/WarZ MOD

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    Do you not play brawl? At almost any given time there are more players on Minecraft party then any other server....
     
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  17. CherryBlossomss

    CherryBlossomss Well-Known Member

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    Very true.
     
  18. RyGuy

    RyGuy developer man

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    tfw you aren't tagged.
    Anyways, I'm going to go through this.

    Section: "Games that should be removed"
    These creates a very large problem, and basically stalls all development that needs to happen with gamemodes of Party. The only thing that can really happen is map updates.
    I definitely agree with this, potion drop needs changes. However, we can't just remove a gamemode without adding more. That's just counter intuitive
    I personally thing that either Chicken game or Sheep Shear should be removed, however, not both of them. Tue games are too similar, however, I personally prefer Sheep Shear over Chicken Game
    Mining Game should stay I believe. A: It is a very original game, and presents a very nostalgic feel for older players like myself. I believe it should stay. However, torches do need to be added I believe.
    I personally think Block War should stay. It's a very fast-paced gamemode, that can be very fun, especially when you are close to the top of the leaderboard.

    Section: "Gamemodes that should be kept"
    Just saying, I only went through the gamemodes with comments on them. I agree with all the other ones

    I do agree, the parkour map is very predictable at the moment.
    Interesting; what types of power ups would you like to see?
    I feel like camping is one of the aspects of the gamemode, and its one that makes it more tense.
    • Smaller map: Yes, this needs to happen. Even with the map shrink affect, there are still many ties, and there comes a point where people just chase eachother in a giant area for a minute.
    • Shorter time: I think it's either a shorter map or shorter games
    • Power ups: What type of power ups would you like to see? I think it's an interesting idea.
    Honestly, I think KOTH is just fine just the way it is. That's up to the community though.
    I'm not sure, I feel like it's not the type of game that should have power-ups.
    Do you have any way of replicating this glitch, or is it random? I've never seen it before.

    Section: "Gamemodes that could stay"

    I really that the idea for the two map rotation a day horse race could make horse race a ton better. Definitely a great idea
    Dead end is a gamemode that as you said, has the best power-up on the shop. Also, I think it's a pretty good game, and it isn't really boring at all.
    I personally think Paintballer is pretty boring sorry putty, but I would be interested to see what the community thinks about this.

    Section: "Gamemodes that can be added"

    Honestly, I don't think this would fit well with the theme of Party at all.
    This really is an interesting concept, however, I feel like it would not fit as just a gamemode in party. I feel like this would be more oriented to be its own server.
    Party staff have been working to try and bring this gamemode back. However, as I stated earlier, we can't really work on trying to patch this without a developer.
    Also, I feel like this would be another gamemode that would not fit with the general theme of Party.
    I would want other peoples opinions on this. I feel like the start would be very related to wipeout, however, it's an interesting idea.
    I feel like this is way to close to the concept of wipeout.

    Other Notes

    I feel like the shop could be used a lot more, however, we need more ideas from the community!
    This is something I'll be talking to the higher staff about soon.
    I feel like this would be tough to code, but it would definitely be cool



    I just want you to know, these are 100% my opinions. It's great to see that people care a lot about Party, and all of these ideas will be discussed and be considered by the Staff team. Thank you for making this, it's great to know what the community is thinking.
     
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  19. Hizi

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    Sounds good : - )
     
  20. Lugia_

    Lugia_ support =D

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    i know its a month later but i completely forgot to reply...if i remember later i will?!
     
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