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Bowspamming and the current MMR

Discussion in 'Teams' started by Proterozoic, Mar 9, 2017.

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  1. Proterozoic

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    Hello everyone!
    Usually when we post in this section, it's usually announcing a new squad or recruiting team. However I'm breaking the trend for something a little different. Before I do talk about this subject however, you really should check out the recent MMR update here for the context behind this.

    Now, as you can see on this thread, no detail was provided about bowspamming in particular, and there's a really good reason for this. I noticed this detail immediately and talked to @Miskey about it (along with some other stuff) a little while ago. What I received in response was:
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    So the current MMR means that bowspamming is allowed. This opens up whole a new avenue for archer strategies in team matches. However, the reason I bring it up is the recent CTF survey. With responses like:
    "Headshots / bowspam"
    as a reason for why a class is overpowered or equally
    "Spam, cough Slayway cough"
    it's fairly clear there's a dispute here about whether or not bowspam should be allowed. That's what this thread's about. What do you think about bowspam being removed from MMR, and why?

    For more info on bowspam, you can check out my excessively long post here
     
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  2. pandanielxd

    pandanielxd its panda daniel

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    I think that bowspam is something which is hard to tell, but so is webspam and eggspam, I think it should be readded, but I'm making a thread similair to this one pretty soon with something (I think) that should fix this issue.
     
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  3. Pat_The_Trick

    Pat_The_Trick Well-Known Member

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    If headshots were removed you cant argue with bowspam and vise versa as it would undedpower the class, and I think people would rather have headshots removed.
     
  4. Proterozoic

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    This isn't about reworking a class. This a rule going on in team matches. I think you might have confused the two. Have a quick read of this and hopefully you'll be able to understand what I'm talking about.
     
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  5. Pat_The_Trick

    Pat_The_Trick Well-Known Member

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    Ooooh right
    Sorry i got like no sleep last night and im up tonight as well :v
     
  6. Daveeeeeeeee

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    Maybe this is in the team section so it's related to teams not server ideas?
     
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  7. Pat_The_Trick

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    I misunderstood cos he said at the start this is in the kind of wrong area, I thought it was meant to be in server ideas
     
  8. NathanDrake

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    I'm in favor of bowspam simply due to the reason that it not being allowed can cause archers to be forced into situations were they most certainly will die. I understand that archers are meant to be like snipers and stay out of the fight but if someone manages to sneak up on you I prefer bowspsm close quarters over my stupid sword. I would be ok with banning now spam if archers sword got sharpness on it. Unless that happens archer gets screwed in most 1v1.
     
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  9. Miskey

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    The hard part about bowspam is that it's extremely hard to set in stone what's considered as bowspam. We can't dedicate a ref to watch an archer's non-pulled back bow arrow fire rate xd. If stuff like melee range flag camping as archer with punch becomes a problem, we'll likely add something about it in the future. For the moment however, nothing will be called as bowspam for the archer class.
     
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  10. ACE_BLUE2

    ACE_BLUE2 Sup'

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    Unnecessary shade is unnecessary >_>

    We all have different definitions of bow spam, and you've made yours more than slightly obvious. My general rule is if one can't see the enemy, they shouldn't fire. The quantity of arrows fired has never really bothered me, as long as I can see the target I wouldn't call it bowspam. A more definitive term would probably be wasteful shooting, but this is all besides the main point of the thread. We could always just have two spectators inside each archer (ace cam lolz), but it would take a subset of specs dedicated to just watching archers; honestly that sounds rather boring,

    A rework could be put in place to add a delay to archer's bow, but that's also besides the point.

    You should @GoToBed
     
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    Did I give you permission to tag me? No.
     
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  12. Proterozoic

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    I'm not shading slayway, that was a genuine comment I received on the survey. I'll screenshot it if you like
     
  13. ACE_BLUE2

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    I would genuinely love to see that, that's awesome xD
     
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    I honestly don't see a problem with bowspam and it's getting pretty annoying hearing people complain about it. No one is gonna be stupid enough to play archer in the flagroom where they can slow people but have no melee capabilities to PVP at all. The meta currently is surrounded by PVP, with someone playing archer in the flagroom, it's basically, if any, useless. Yes in normal games outside of matches you may find an archer bowspamming in the flagroom, but I think it's easy to pass that anyway.
     
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