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Idea Remove Team Caps

Discussion in 'Raid' started by TwisterPvP, Mar 30, 2017.

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Do you think that Team Caps should be removed?

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  2. No

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  1. SkullcrusherLD

    SkullcrusherLD Best-Known GSGer | Ex-War JMod

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    In my opinion Team caps should be kept. It is senseful to limit teams and if they ally with other teams it's still not the same as if they were in the same team. It's a simple way to prevent too much domination by one single team. It's the same thing on WW/War/WarZ/...: If there is one leading clan/team it becomes unbalanced and therefore boring for everybody
    If people just play to dominate in a big group it's not helping at all for the whole player amount. Every newcomer would be even more scared if teams wouldn't have a limit.
     
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  2. DreadfulDNA

    DreadfulDNA Well Known Member

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    A friendly fire scale for the amount of members in your team is smart idea +1.
    No, no no. As you know the grind it takes to win A KOTH is quite a great amount. I would hate to see someone scoop a key and kite into the end. It deacreases the motivation to win KOTH, because not only is it not certain that you win, but if you win, you might not even get a key.
     
  3. Tuumai

    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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    Welcome to the ''hardcore pvp server'' like ive seen you online 2 times. There is no dominating by team...
     
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  4. DreadfulDNA

    DreadfulDNA Well Known Member

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    It is unlikely, but possible. Not necessarily a randy. Someone good at souping with speed II? It's game over.
     
  5. Carnotauros

    Carnotauros Raid & Events Manager

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    But what about the ally between Vanta and Meta they count like the same team, and the newcomers would not care if it's two teams who are basically the same team or one team. Removing team cap won't decrease the player count. It will just increase it.
     
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  6. Tuumai

    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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    The KOTH is not only for keys like i said thats reeeaaaly hard some randie just come right middle of koth and steal a key run 250 blocks to spawn and jump down and warp that needs hacks!

    I agree and what if there would be even more players and more active after removing team cap?
     
  7. SkullcrusherLD

    SkullcrusherLD Best-Known GSGer | Ex-War JMod

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    First of all, I'd be pleased if you would stop insulting me to know nothing about Raid. I've played on SPvp for years, since it has been released.

    At the moment it might be the case that there is no single team dominating, probably because of the limit. But I remember times when teams like "Riot" or bassmaster's team were ruling the server completely. It's not senseful to remove the limit.
    Team allies are a problem, indeed. But removing the team limit won't make things better but even worth. And as explained above: It won't increase the player base.
     
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    #27 SkullcrusherLD, Mar 30, 2017
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  8. SillyPickles

    SillyPickles Well-Known Member

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    those "new members" that join.. 99.999% of the time it's just clueless noobs that don't even realize they have to leave spawn to get work done
     
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  9. DreadfulDNA

    DreadfulDNA Well Known Member

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    You are implying that if the team limit is removed, all the good players will join the same team. It is possible but not likely. As I said earlier, it might not necessarily be a "randy" it could be a veteran player who understands how to kite, and can successfully pull it off. The only reason I participate in KOTHs is for keys.
     
  10. SillyPickles

    SillyPickles Well-Known Member

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    there's always one or 2 teams big and dominating. That's been happening with or without the team limit. what happend in the past was that there were a ton of smaller teams fighting the team that was dominating. which was fun for everyone. so i disagree with what u said
     
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  11. Tuumai

    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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    Im not insulting dont take that as a insult sry and was vanta, m4fia, sub, hype dominating the map at 1.8 SPVP year ago. And bassmaster's team was ages ago
     
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  12. SillyPickles

    SillyPickles Well-Known Member

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    teams dominating is part of the gamemode ... whenever a team is dominating, that causes other smaller/medium sized teams to fight back creating pvp action. this is exactly what happend all the maps before. with team caps right now, it's literally just a ton of small teams everywhere with barely any competition or action

    EDIT: and don't bs with the "how is it fair for new players" new players that join just sit in the pig spawner all day socializing in public chat with other noobs. new players that join that actually know what they are doing, eventually end up joining one of the big teams anyways or making their own team, etc
     
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  13. Carnotauros

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    And all the bigger teams make multiple teams so it makes no difference.
     
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  14. Tuumai

    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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    MODS i think its time JUST remove it!
     
  15. AnonymousGalaxy

    AnonymousGalaxy Raid Manager | Manager of Managing | Legacy

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    Team caps should be kept.
    - Creates competitiveness for Koths
    - Makes things interesting
    - Removes being outnumbered by 50 people
    - Removes the issue of Koths being won by the same team every week
    - It'll just turn into Wild West if we remove it (proven by past map experiences *SPvP*).
    - It gives new players a chance.
    On another note, everyone would just join Vanta for a free win at everything. Remove team caps and Vanta will invite everyone like the past maps and they'll easily win every team fight, every koth, and leave no chance to any player that's not in Vanta. Essentially they'll dominate the server and anyone that's not in Vanta will have no chance and quit. If you truly want a "hardcore" experience then team caps should be kept.
     
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    #35 AnonymousGalaxy, Mar 30, 2017
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  16. Tuumai

    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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    ''past map experiences'' u mean that map when no one played? outnumbering by 50 people? u can still get outnumbered by 2 teams which is same team gives new players a chance like no point on that same wwith that competitiveness for koths like u can still come with 2 teams which is same team
     
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  17. SillyPickles

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    1. Bigger fights for koth = more pvp action and fun. There's no more wars like there was before and it's getting stale. Don't argue back against this cus you guys aren't pvpers.
    2. How is having more players NOT interesting?
    3. What are you? oracle? make more friends, dont put yourself in the position to be outnumbered... etc
    4. You are assuming. Legacy can have the same amount of people as vanta does if they werent so stuck up and so prideful of having "quality over quantity"
    5. No. It'll just turn back into SPvP.. Which was very fun and full of players
    6. New players don't even have a chance right now... they will never have a chance no matter how things are set up
    On my note, you are assuming yet again we will invite everyone, when all we've done is be friendly and invite those who seem chill or we are already friends with. just because you don't know who the player is doesn't make them a random to us. And no. in the past we have not won every single fight. there will be teams that rise up and rebel against us. you should know this. we have lost plenty of fights/raids. it's even on my youtube... and lastly your definition of "hardcore" seems to be very boring with no pvp and people will quit regardless. "hardcore" to us means wars and action and pvp
     
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  18. PingWoo

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    No.
     
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  19. AnonymousGalaxy

    AnonymousGalaxy Raid Manager | Manager of Managing | Legacy

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    From the point of view of a player that wasn't in Vanta through my own choice it's not fun at all. It's just one team dominating and constant toleration of players trash talking because they win through outnumbering. It's fun for you, yes, because you seemingly always won. The majority of active players right now would gladly join Vanta if team caps were removed because they want the free win too. On the subject of new players, they have a better chance of going out and becoming active players now with the addition of team caps instead of new players automatically having no chance and quitting because of the domination of a single team. It's easy for you to say all this because you are on the team that dominates, but put yourself in the shoes of a new player and see how it is. Quantity over Quality isn't necessarily a bad thing, but if you have a team of 50 players then virtually anyone outside of that team will struggle to find another good team. Regardless, I'll bring it up, possibly see if we can get a poll started for Raid and see where it goes from there. Thank you for your input, we truly do look into it and consider it all. We must consider the pros and cons though.
     
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  20. SillyPickles

    SillyPickles Well-Known Member

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    To be honest i cant put myself in the shoes of someone not in vanta because me and @PingWoo don't like the idea of another team dominating. We'd gather up allies and fight back. we'd probably rage alot but we'd grow our team and wage war
     
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