Religion Debates and Discussions

so youve sinned. it is literally impossible to act in the lords word...

 

I could definitely say the same thing for Greek mythology, Norse mythology and Aztec myth.

You're going around in a loop.
"Bible was written by men following God"
"God is perfect"
=/=
The bible is perfect and it can't be wrong!!
It doesn't give me any evidence that it cannot be wrong, using "God" as in a perfect being doesn't justify.
Can you prove the existence of God first, before talking about the credibility of the bible?

Seriously. "God is perfect and man is flawed" Can you please first confirm the existence of the divine being "God" without using "You need to be a believer and open your mind all of this is created by God!" This argument is complete baloney. Please prove using your five senses you were given by "God"

I understand that this earth is too perfect to not be created by a God. But think about it, this universe is billions of years old. Maybe somewhere along the cosmic timeline, a perfect environment for life to thrive, where laws of physics apply, where logic can be reasoned through mathematics ; suddenly created this earth. The possibility of the "perfect" environment of life has a very small chance, but it would have bound to have happened within that timeline.

I understand that some of my posts can be very intrusive, but this is a debate.

While there are many christians whom choose to harness their religion to seek their own harmony, please don't preach to people who would not sway. It's exactly like a scientist/mathematician trying to disprove the existence of God. I hope people can be "open minded" first and think about how the world works scientifically with your human senses before you resort to confirming God's presence.

Oh hoh, you're saved? So the rest of us critical, logical thinkers go to hell? Is this an indirect threat? Not that i'm trying to insult your religion, but is this how it gathers its followers?

 

Let me clarify, getting an erection isn't a sin afaik. It's fapping that's a sin

 

I never outright rejected. I am simply questioning why all of humanity should convert to your religion and receive this "salvation". I never said " I will never be christian because Etc" I am simply questioning the arguments you have presented to me using logic. Please don't say "By questioning my arguments, you rejected!!" I'm only using my human thirst for knowledge. I used to attend a christian school and for a while i believed them. I enjoyed their stories and morals they have presented but from then on, I started asking myself "Why?". I coexist peacefully with my christian friends and respect their faith. If you can prove to me that God created everything, I'd say "Well, I can definitely accept being logical and scientific whilst accepting God. God created the beauty of mathematics and science in our world." Until you prove this to me, I would have no trouble converting to a christian.

So far, all you've given me is baseless arguments. I understand your perception of God. Please understand my perception to understanding this world in a logical view, before you have the ability to refute my questions.

This is going to be my end post here. I will be watching this thread from the sidelines. I've said what needs to be said. Frankly, I'm disappointed because despite my rebuttals, all I've received is "You're going to hell".

 

What if you don't have a wife?

 

Wait, so everyone else BUT Christians has the burden of proof?

How about I tell you that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real, and that you don't need to see the Monster to believe in It. Humans are smarter than that. And if anyone sees the Monster, or even tries to prove Its existence, they are obliterated. So it's impossible to prove It's real.

How do you debunk that?

By the way, I love this "the Bible can't be wrong because the Bible says it was written by God"

YOU ARE USING THE BIBLE AS PROOF FOR THE BIBLE.

That's circular logic and it's completely fallacious. Please tell me you understand this. Please.

 

It's only been one day, I mentioned in my previous post that it would be the last post.

IN ONE DAY, your arguments have been more absurd than I thought. I have nothing against creationists and their beliefs, but saying we are too fixated on our perspective ? We are listening to you. We understand (or in attempt) are trying to understand what you are saying. You are the one fixated on a belief here. We are asking for real facts from you, yet you blame this whole world for being rigged against Christians (what?).
What if we said that you are too fixated on your perspective that you aren't listening to any evidence we bring up?
I am more than happy to listen to your creationist theory, doesn't necessarily mean i have to believe in it, but it would provide a further step in understanding this world. I am neither agitated at you, or your faith, but your lack of understanding towards the perspective of others.

How are you supposed to defeat the problem if you don't know where it originates from?
How are you supposed to persuade us if you don't understand what we see and understand?

Are you even thoroughly reading through our posts?

 

That alone is enough to not believe the bible.

If the only evidence for the Bible's legitimacy is the Bible, it's not trustworthy; in the same vein trusting Kim Jong Il's birth was sacred because Kim Jong Il claimed that his birth was sacred.

I have said this before, but the evidence that is required to change someone's mind is evidence that is true whether or not they originally believed it. A belief in God has the absolute prerequisite that you believed in a God beforehand, and that belief must be held against all reason because you have no reason to believe it.

You claim that 'Atheists' hold to their beliefs and don't consider creationist 'evidence', when the opposite is true; creationist 'evidence' is considered, and pretty much immediately debunked or disproven to the point where science can reject it easily.

Even Christian scientists who believe in god will reject creationism as unscientific, simply it is. Creation science uses the bible and tries to find facts to back it up; actual scientists look at the facts and use it to shape their beliefs. The difference is that one of these systems burns witches and the other put humans on the moon.

 

Tom asked for evidence, observations, and meaning from "independent observers" and you link two non scientific, biased websites the goal statements of the first is...



as for the second, it's credibility is based on this guy



more on Dr. Craig...



emphasis on him viewing homosexuality as a sin and his excuses for genocide against the Canaanites. Wikipedia also describes him as a "Christian apologist"

So your argument boils down to "you need to BELIEVE" rather than anything sustained by logic and reason? I'm a Christian, and I believe in God, but that is not a good argument for God's existence let alone that of creationist beginning.

 

You're too lazy to find unbiased facts on something that your life clearly revolves around?

 

because he is brainwashed

so why do you believe in god

if gassing jews is equal to being gay and being gay is equal to sex before marriage and literally most all things you can derive pleasure from (not gassing jews, hopefully) are equal sins, what motivation stops people from committing sins if the worst, most despicable acts are equal to the most tame acts that are sins?