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Why ninja is an unfair, unbalanced class

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by super_mii2, Oct 19, 2017.

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does ninja need a nerf to rebalance it in relation to engi :(

Poll closed Oct 19, 2018.
  1. nerf ninja but fix invis powder staying unusable when dropping the flag

    8.0%
  2. no changes pls

    40.0%
  3. bring back old pyro

    28.0%
  4. bring back old soldier

    24.0%
  5. bring back old engineer (vote for this please)

    28.0%
  6. remove level cap for dwarf

    44.0%
  7. remove necro because the person who made it was bad

    12.0%
  8. remove mage because its unbalanced

    12.0%
  9. give ninja more invis ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    24.0%
  10. nerf chemist

    16.0%
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  1. super_mii2

    super_mii2 Well-Known Member

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    Dear MCCTF community,

    This is written with regards to Engineer function as the primary Ninja counter.

    Engineer is the premier ninja counter because it has turret, one of the most powerful weapons in the game when used optimally. It's so powerful simply because it can kill ninjas quickly even if they use the most unfair, unbalanced item in the game, invisibility powder.

    However, this comes with a problem. Engineer has to set up, which means that Ninja can easily kill it, especially multiple of them who do around 2-3 hearts per hit (which can add up to death in 2 seconds if the engineer is not careful).

    I feel ninja's high damage output and ability to combo when put in a skilled ninja player (or a so-called 'newbie' when put relative to the engineer player base and skill level) allows it to easily oversaturate the metagame. Furthermore, pearls make it so death is no big deal to the Ninja, who can easily respawn and make easy recovers. Finally, eggs mean ninja can easily force slowness into enemies, an ability I believe is more suited for assassins forcing carriers to block.

    Finally, this is the change I wish to put forward. Ninja eggs should first of all only cause blindness. Furthermore, there is a half second delay between invisibility and sword holding. Finally, engineer turrets now instakill ninja when they are invisible.

    I hope that these changes will be taken seriously by the community, who will realise the problems with the skill-free, oversaturated class known as Ninja, and take suitable action as has been done with Soldier and Pyro, inspite of much of the community playing Ninja. I implore you to make a fair decision on what is right for the game, and not for yourselves.

    Best Regards,

    A skilled player of a fair and balanced class.
    super_mii2
     
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  2. Spades_

    Spades_ Former CTF Mod

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    Engineer buff and ninja nerf? I can't tell if you're kidding or not o_o but if you're serious, then no. I'd rather leave it the way it is. Engineer is annoying, and takes 0 effort to use. While an army of ninjas can be annoying, it actually takes a half decent player to use it. It has no armor, and if you can't kill a ninja with engineer then I don't know what to tell you. I'd rather have engineer removed tbh
     
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  3. super_mii2

    super_mii2 Well-Known Member

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  5. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member

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    The only thing I don't like about ninja is how op eggs are. If a ninja throws an egg at you, it is very hard to aim and hit them back. I do like the idea of just making eggs cause blindness, however I'd prefer slowness.
     
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  6. Shawn_

    Shawn_ Playing CTF and making maps since 2012

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    Ninjas already die in 2 hits at full health. Why strengthen the turret's arrows when they are already strong enough? Also even though instakills exist in the game, no one wants to add more abilities to instakill.
     
  7. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member

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    The point I think he's trying to make is that ninjas can do a lot of damage before dying and come back fairly quickly so it's as if they didn't die kinda.
     
  8. GalaThundR

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    These days 414 has been replaced with 313.
     
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  9. simcb

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    Why is there no "Give ninja sharpness VI" option?
     
  10. Salty_Ivan

    Salty_Ivan Well-Known Member

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    An engineer can do damage while standing there.
    A ninja cannot.

    An engineer can heal itself and other teammates at a very fast rate.
    A ninja cannot.

    An engineer can transport itself and other teammates across the map in three seconds for no cost.
    A ninja cannot.

    Clearly ninja is the superior class.
     
  11. super_mii2

    super_mii2 Well-Known Member

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    you can't have 5 engineers in flag room m8
     
  12. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    Ninja and Engineer are both fine the way they are right now. And ninja isn't hard to defend against either if you know what you're doing you don't even have to 24/7 watch the flag.

    As for recovery it's meant to be fast at getting back and dealing a lot of damage it's the only class that can have a sort of catch-up other than assassin or pyros fire.
     
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  13. super_mii2

    super_mii2 Well-Known Member

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    I think ninja is fine as an offensive class, but I think most people underrate its prowess as a defensive/recov class because ninjas can get back into action so quick after dying. Given that they also do like 2-4 hearts per hit it makes capturing (or even making it out of flag room with 3 ninjas) difficult unless you're heavy or soldier on the right map.

    I think the ability to catchup is entirely fair and needed, but having such a high damage output and ease of returning to flag is a bit much
     
  14. Spades_

    Spades_ Former CTF Mod

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    It's not an offensive class. Ninja capping is almost as annoying as the of engineers that clutter beaver creek on freeday.

    Really any large number of cluttered classes is annoying. (An army of ninjas, and army of engineers, an army of medics, etc) does that mean the class should be changed? Not really. So saying "There were 5 ninjas in the flagroom" is too hard to cap against is not really a good argument for changing a class. And there's a reason why engineers can't crowd the flag room anymore: because it's worse than that army of ninjas. Besides, why are you in the flagroom anyways? I thought you played engineer?
     
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  15. EmperorTrump45

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    js but Engineer has never been "fine"
     
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  16. ExtremeEvoboost

    ExtremeEvoboost CTF Media Man

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    While I agree that ninja is probably up there as one of the easiest classes to master and make incredibly painful to fight... Don't buff engi like this. (but seriously **** 414 ninjas)
     
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  17. EmperorTrump45

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    414 hasn't been a viable strategy on Ninja since it was nerfed in 2014
     
  18. Deppuccino

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    hello yes i have come to the conclucion of attaining the impression that the engineer minecraft capture the flag on brawl.com class is of a power level inferior to the standards of minecraft capture the flag on brawl.com and thus believe that it is a necessary measure to increase the power level of the minecraft capture the flag on brawl.com class engineer. the measures i am going to be suggesting are that the minecraft capture the flag on brawl.com class engineer is to attain a complete covering of armor made up of blue diamonds, the rarest, most valuable and most durable kind of diamonds. It should also attain the ability to be capable of an instantaneous decease for the opposing player for every one of the minecraft capture the flag on brawl.com's class engineer. i hope that the moderators, senior moderators, administrators and the owner of the brawl.com network listen carefully and intently to the above suggestions of improvement to the minecraft capture the flag on brawl.com class engineer and implement these changes to increase minecraft capture the flag on brawl.com's engineer class's power level to match the power level of the already existing meta-game.
     
  19. Ninsanity

    Ninsanity Yoshi Legend and Medic Main

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    Yeah, this won't work :stuck_out_tongue: If anything nerf/rework engineer and buff/rework ninja, just not the opposite.
     
  20. Versions

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    414 is still viable to this day, depending on the situation. A ninja can go invisible and attack a player then go invisible again in 3 seconds after the silly powder is turned into redstone.
     
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