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Idea Add shaders to the forbidden modifications list

Discussion in 'Raid' started by WurschtBanane, Jan 6, 2018.

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  1. WurschtBanane

    WurschtBanane Member

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    I suggest to make shaders overall bannable on raid, as they become a bannable offense as soon as the user of the shaderpack dives in lava (as shaders make lava see-through, which makes finding bases and diamonds easier).

    Otherwise you could just hit someone, who is using a pack atm, into lava, which results in him seeing diamonds at the bottom. You record it and he gets banned, not knowing it wouldn't be allowed.
     
  2. Carnotauros

    Carnotauros Raid & Events Manager

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    If shaders aren’t allowed, how will players make good looking montages/trailers?
     
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  3. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member

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    But it's easy to tell if someone's using it for gameplay advantages or just for the aesthetical improvements. You were using it as a gameplay advantage so we shouldn't punish everyone who uses shaders just because someone was using it in the wrong way.
     
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  4. WurschtBanane

    WurschtBanane Member

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    Well a player who is new might just find out that feature and then keep diving in lava, eventually finding a base and getting banned.
     
  5. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member

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    That's their problem, using a shaders back like that is a form of x-ray which is a bannable offense.

    Edit: Just found this is a pointless thread because it already mentions that the thing you did/used is a "disallowed modification".
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    Requesting lock @Eil @Lord_Roke @SoCool21
     
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    #5 Daveeeeeeeee, Jan 6, 2018
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  6. Tuumai

    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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    You know when you put your half of your head in lava, it makes you see as good as with shaders. That's called feather.
     
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  7. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    please don't all tell different stories. Makes the truth you tell hard to believe lol
     
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  8. Doges

    Doges Ex-Mod, Ex-Builder

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    Don't use glitches that make you see through lava/other materials on purpose. As for banning shaders - that would be the same as banning texture packs all together because xray packs exist.
     
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  9. WurschtBanane

    WurschtBanane Member

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    @Doges The problem is that xray packs and glitches are all installed/provoked intentionally, with you usually having to activate something.

    All, and i repeat ALL most used shaderpacks make you look through lava. You dont provoke any glitch, you dont press anything, you just play normally.

    This is why i am suggesting to remove them - They are appearantly all glitched and (at least if the same rules apply to the same people) should be bannable.

    If not, maybe a solution is allowing them under certain conditions, because if you dont state anywhere that they need to be turned off (which isnt possible with pressing buttons btw, you need to go to the settings and unload them, which takes several seconds), someone else will be banned for it, not knowing what he did violated the rules.
    Here, i just did it for you:


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  10. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Shaders packs are allowed; abusing glitches in shader packs to gain an advantage similar to Xray (which is what your ban was for) is not allowed.

    If a glitch with shaders occurs where you are able to see through lava and you see a base or diamonds, you should ignore it. Simple as that.

    Just as if you unintentionally were glitched and became invincible, you should log out and get staff members to help you fix it, rather than abusing it to get free kills. (Sounds like an extreme example, but this has happened on the past on other servers).
     
  11. WurschtBanane

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    lol
     
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    You were using a shaders pack to see through lava - xray. Please stop trying to find a flaw in the rules.
     
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  13. WurschtBanane

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    Alright, last question.

    This is what it should look like "normally" if i dive in lava.
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    There are blocks above me. Now i press space to swim up and whoops it looks like this:
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    which is exactly what it looked like with shaders, although no mod except for labbymod and optifine were included in the making of this picture (and i guarantee you, it works with vanilla aswell).

    Same thing when you are entering lava through flowing lava:
    [​IMG]

    It is near impossible to avoid these situations.

    Will i be banned if i get cought swimming upwards and hitting a wall in lava or entering it through flowing lava, or is this allowed because it does not include any modifications?
     
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  14. Tuumai

    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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    No you wont get banned by using this feature. Just like the shop glitch.
     
  15. WurschtBanane

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    And as it kind of fits to the topic of the thread, i will ask a question about another bug i found: Is it allowed to press f11 while walking forwards, then tabbing back in? It makes you walk automatically, until you press another key on your keyboard. This+rebinding the mine/destroy key could be used to just "afk mine" obsidian from a tracker.

    If this is true, i want to hear it from staff though. I do not plan on giving anyone a chance to ban me for something, which i believe is not bannable, again.
     
  16. Tuumai

    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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    If autosprint is allowed, so is this f11+tab thing allowed.
     
  17. WurschtBanane

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    As soon as this has been answered by a staff member, i wish this thread to be locked.
     
  18. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    This just shows that you used more than shaders. PM me if you want more because I don‘t want to start an argument on here.

    Also nice sync you and Tuumai have there
     
  19. 19kss

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    Might as well ban Optifine if Shaders isn't allowed hahah
     
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  20. WurschtBanane

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    Optifine does not allow you to look through lava. If the lava see-through thing was just a glitch that sometimes happens, i would be fine with it being allowed. But the lava see through thing is basically a "feature" of shaders that cant be deactivated.
     
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