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Suggestion/Discussion - Minimap

Discussion in 'Raid' started by xGhale, Apr 6, 2018.

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  1. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Ok here goes:
    Basically, Minimaps that DO NOT show entities or caves or players or the like are allowed on Brawl.
    Anyone can see the 2 massive flaws in this right there:
    1. How do you reliably prove, without a doubt (see @Colonel_Graff), that a minimap that is being used is a "legit" minimap without screensharing? (Note - this isn't meant to open that bag of snakes here, it's for informational purposes. SS discussion isn't what this thread is meant to lead to)
    2. A minimap gives many advantages even without entities being shown, such as being able to find certain structures very easily, having a free and instant and above-all global map, being able to detect certain base disguising methods (terra-forming) more easily, and generally giving a large advantage.
    Case in point:
    • Minimap is banned on a lot of servers - HCF servers, certain other PvP servers, and (of course) on any HG server. It gives so many advantages that you cannot simply claim that "it isn't an unfair advantage".
    Just my salt.

    -Sam
     
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  2. Exaggeration

    Exaggeration Raid | Team Envy

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    This is a very solid point and I appreciate someone bringing this more to attention. I’ve met players who have personally told me they’ve used banned mini maps, simply because it’s pretty hard to tell if someone is using a banned minimap or allowed without screensharing them. I’m not sure what needs to be done but minimaps should be talked about more for sure
     
  3. Ry23an

    Ry23an Orchard Thief

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    Mini maps that show sky bases are not much different to xraying underground bases, without it you wouldn't know it's there. But at the same time there is very little mods can do about sky bases getting mini mapped.
    I have given up on making skybases because mini maps became popular.
     
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  4. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    I think this theory should apply for all rules. If it is too difficult to tell if its allowed or not / an advantage not everyone has, then the feature or modifier should be banned entirely from use. Mini maps, macros, etc should all without a doubt be against the rules. Its simply too easy to weasel around the system or use it without anyone knowing. I've tried getting these two features banned before, but action needs to be taken on this for sure.
     
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  5. hockeyxxxxxxkid

    hockeyxxxxxxkid Active Member

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    If it's too hard to detect, wouldn't that be an argument for keeping it allowed? People that don't care about the rules will still use it and have an advantage over legit players without punishment.
     
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  6. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    No, instead of the weaseling around and "if this is allowed then this should be" just make it simple and ban them all entirely. Clarity is needed in setting rules and its not as clear as it should be imo rn. Better safe than sorry imo.
     
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    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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  8. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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  9. TheMel0n

    TheMel0n 8 Year McPvPer

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    Just place signs on your sky base and it’s minimap,safe and don’t forget the deserts
     
  10. Ry23an

    Ry23an Orchard Thief

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    Pretty sure that just makes them harder to see on mini map but still possible
     
  11. TheMel0n

    TheMel0n 8 Year McPvPer

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    Nope only possible if you have like stone blocks up there
     
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