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Ice Bear's High Level Gun Rant

Discussion in 'MC-War' started by Ice_Bear1, Jan 15, 2019.

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  1. Ice_Bear1

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    High-level guns or any gun for that matter should not be strictly better than low-level guns. The thing Ice Bear hates hearing is when players ask for a gun to nerf because it is too good for its level or when a person justifies an OP gun by saying that it is a high-level gun it is okay that it is op. Ice Bear firmly believes in weapon balance and that all weapons should be balanced regardless of level. Ice Bear says that this overall will be better for the game as there will be weapon diversity and more options in load outs.

    MSR, M21 EBR, Dragonov, Intervention. These are the most used snipers all of them have a unique trait and pros and cons that allow them to be used over another. With the small exception of the M21 EBR's ammo pool and barret being mediocre. No sniper outright overshadows the other. Each sniper has its benefits and downsides and it is ultimately up to the player to decide what type of sniper they want. Want a consistent and well-rounded and accurate sniper? Dragonov. Are you a fast-paced player who values speed above all? MSR. Want a sniper that has amazing sustain? M21 EBR. Want a sniper that can one shot? Intervention. It is ultimately up to the player to decide what sniper they want and is a matter of preference in what sniper is the best. Even if the most common preferences happen to be speed and sustain aka MSR and M21 EBR players can use the other guns and be justified in doing so. This is balance.

    Ice Bear thinks that leveling should play no factor in balance. This will be healthier for the game as players will all have an equal chance and you will never die simply because a person had a better gun than you. The only way to die should be by being outplayed or outskilled not by being out stat.

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    If you make every gun just as powerful then there will be no motivation to level up or play.
    The motivation to level up is to unlock all weapons till you find which one fits you best. For most players, the high-level guns are the most versatile and easiest to use therefore they will level to get them. The other motivation should be for more weapon diversity so when you don't feel like using ACR for the 1000th time you can switch it up and use an M4A1 or AK47 instead.

    The game will be unfair as new players get instant access to the best guns.
    Considering that anyone can use a low-level gun it is fair. If everyone has access to a gun is it unfair? No one is being excluded from accessing them so as long as everyone can use them it is fair. Think of knife everyone has access to them, they are called op by some, but they are accepted as part of the game.

    The MG4 was a low-level gun that got nerfed for being too powerful for its level.
    The MG4 was too powerful for its level, in fact, it was too powerful overall. The reason it was nerfed was mainly that it offered too much damage for its fire rate and accuracy.

    I leveled up and worked hard for these guns, therefore, I deserve them.
    This still does not justify someone being put at a significant disadvantage just because your level is higher than theirs (does not apply to MMORPGs). What you should gain for leveling up and working hard is better skill and that alone should get you through the game not just better guns.

    Feel free to comment your criticisms bellow and Ice Bear will try to answer them.
     
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  3. Ice_Bear1

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    Why what?
     
  4. SoCool21

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    One of the biggest hurdles with reviving War is the existing community is just too good at the game. A new player would have to put in weeks of practice before they can get even close to performing as well as most regulars, and until then, the game just isn't very fun. Having higher-level guns be better than low-level guns worsens this issue.
     
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    Ok, so although I understand the reasoning behind this and appreciate the valid points that @SoCool21 and @Ice_Bear1 put forward - I think that guns should get better as you level up.

    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think they should be OP but if they aren’t at least slightly better there is not much incentive to play the game.

    This is why I always disagree when people argue a certain gun should be nerfed to make is equal with a certain lower-level gun. A common example I get is ACR being nerfed down to be level with M4a1. Although I agree the ACR is very good and probably needs a bit of a nerf, in my opinion it should not be made equal with M4a1 in any way. It shouldn’t be so good that it completely outclasses every other gun - like it pretty much does now, but it should not be brought down to match it to other guns, it should be brought down to make it appropriate for the level it is and just to be reasonable as far as damage per second etc.

    So now to address SoCool’s point, it certainly is a problem that newer players get absolutely slaughtered by the experienced part of the community - who currently are the vast majority of players on a server at any given time. But this is not as much a problem with the guns as just generally being better tactically and being familiar with the game mechanics. Sure, a lot of the time the higher level guns are preferred and used by higher level players, but this in itself is not the only reason they generally do better. I see plenty of high level players do fine with much lower level guns and still maintain great stats after prestiging, and not even having those guns as a fallback if they are doing badly.

    Basically, I believe that currently MOST of the guns are pretty balanced with each other, but I don’t believe that it’s fair to try to say that the guns that you unlock at level 60 should be only as good as the guns you start with. Although you provide a counter to this argument which does hold some value, I still think that the main reason people want to level up is to get better weapons and by taking this away you take away the main incentive for playing.
     
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  6. Ice_Bear1

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    Ice Bear says the main problem with ACR is that it gives too many benefits for its downsides and completely overshadows AK47. ACR gives the best hipfire accuracy and scopes accuracy, the damage is increased, and the only downside is being slightly slower firing than M4. The ACR already offers amazing accuracy so why does it also need the extra damage? Even the SCAR offers less benefits for its downsides compared to ACR. Nerfing it to have the same damage as the M4 makes it more level and prevents it from completely overshadowing AK47. Even with the reduced damage the ACR will be strong because what made it good in the first place is it’s hipfire accuracy.
     
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    Speaking as a "not very good with high accuracy gun", i recently got my ACR, but for almost a week, i only used Ak-47. Why? Because although ACR has better accuracy, I have to aim it right, i can't aim a little to the left of the enemy,because of that, i was being killed all the time. AK-47, even if you are not good with aiming, you can still shoot your enemy. Because AK-47 has a greater shooting area. So it makes sense (to me) that ACR has a much high level. On that I level, you need to have more skill towards aiming and etc. to use it, although a lot of people say "It doesn't require skill to use it"
     
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    Ice Bear recommends you try the hipfire of ACR it has the perfect amount of spread.
     
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    As far as I can tell @Charlie_0014 was saying that the amount of spread the ACR had was not enough for him and that was a flaw with it, though correct me if I’m wrong.

    But in response to this I do understand how the accuracy is a big benefit already but I think it completely overshadowing another gun is not actually that big of a problem - it is a higher level gun, therefor it is intended to be better and in 9 cases out of 10 it will be better to use an ACR than an AK47.
     
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    It’s honestly pretty cute you guys are trying to revive war. Mucho respect but I don’t think you’ll get anywhere. Unless Minecraft has a huge comeback.
     
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