Idea Non-Instant Kill Pyro Rework

I like this pyro.

My opinion is that, for get the HP back in frenzy mode, get 1 less steak back then you had previously, keeping on 0 of you don't have one. This doesn't make it to op, as you said it could be to op maybe.

Further, nothing wrong in my opinion.

So, +1 is there!

 

TBH I don't think the true damage will work. If I'm a heavy and I come barreling into the flagroom, pyro A has to do frenzy mode -> hit 2x, and either trigger the explosion or axetinguish. That's a total of 10 hearts damage, and it's possible to do, but the heavy will steak 2 or 3 times. This will render the attack useless unless there's a particularly skilled ninja on defense. (Or an assassin, but that defeats the point of the pyro) Better pray the heavy doesn't have strength from a chemist. And if the true damage isn't enough to stop some heavies, every single soldier is going to blow through that flagroom, take a maximum of 10 hearts of true damage over the 2 seconds it spends in the flagroom, and wallspam it's way to victory.

The final thing is that pyro is awfly reliant on frenzy to deal meaningful damage. 7 hearts from a combination now hit and axe hit and that's it if frenzy is on cooldown? Pyro should be able to eliminate about half of the offense based on the true damage it deals to them, and I say half because if the person coming into the flagroom has enough skill they should be able to dodge.
IMO nice concept but in need of tweaking.

 

It doesn't counter chemist in the slightest. 7 hearts of damage, then extinguish. Plenty of time for the chem to regen and steal, and by then they're out of the flagroom. Fire should, ideally, cancel buffs and prevent healing in some form, or else most classes would be able to bring this pyro down considerably low.

I also think the fire charge is an unnecessary gimmick mechanic and can just be changed to a bow.

 

Allright, so I agree with a lot of what is said above.

The fire charge thing is a bit gimmicky, a bow works fine, and that keeps it like the current pyro. In addition, it's nice to be able to see yur ammo count while the bow is drawn. Also, does the bow explosion only work at full draw, or does it work like the old pyro did, where any arrow shot would do the explosion?

The axexstinguish seems pretty useless. The pyro would keep it's role as a core defender in this rework, but this just takes it's insta-kill and nerfs it to 7 hearts. After the target is extinguished, the pyro is basically useless since it used it's bow to light people on fire, and doesn't have flint and steel. So 7 hearts, and then the pyro is skrewed, and this is really only against 1 opponent.

Frenzy mode seems unnecessarily complicated. I mean, so you click it to light stuff on fire, deal sustained damage, and then cooldown. The thing with the steaks seems really unnecessary, and kind of OP since the pyro doesn't have to steak. The finisher explosion is a nice way to, well, finish off people, but it still might not do much cause steak. In addition, there is no way the pyro could deal with multiple opponents, they would have to focus one, and have no options toward the others. A heavy could eat this pyro up, since it has more sustain, while this pyro relies on irregular bursts of true damage.

In my opinion, this seems like it's a combination of pyro's former one-shot effectiveness, while trying to put keep it balanced, but it doesn't really work. This pyro wouldn't be able to dish out enough damage to, let's say a heavy, without the heavy severely weakening it. The pyro would use axestinguish, then the heavy would steak and begin wailing on the pyro, so the pyro frenzy modes. 1.5 hearts of true damage is way outclassed by the damage the heavy does with a diamond sword, the pyro would most likely lose, depending on pvp skill, and this is in a 1 v. 1. In a flagroom, the goal is to get out quickly, and there is no way this pyro can stop that from happening, even with a soldier nerf.

I think you should really remove frenzy mode, and try and incorporate more true damage into pyro's basic hits with fire. Pyro should really be able to light a crap ton of stuff on fire, and deal with them quickly. If the person is on fire, they should be at a major disadvantage, but not to the extent they are now. A good pyro should still be able to quickly kill someone. Something that you could do is make pyro's hits while they are on fire do 2.5 hearts each. Keep axestinguish, but make it optional. Then, remove the fire charge bow thing, keep the fire charge as ammo, and let pyros use it as flint and steel. A good pyro would be able to constantly light hit opponent on fire and axestinguish them, but you would have to be really good. frenzy mode could stay, but it would need to be reworked a bit.

Good concepts doe, I like it.

 

Soldiers 4 steaks and chemists equivalent 20 steaks laugh at true damage. Especially chemist. A mobile armored ninja with a gigantic whopper healthpool can heal 7 hearts faster than you can ghost on blackout.

So... This needs quite a lot of work to be acceptable. Nice try, I wish it worked.

 

Allright, xD Rip Axetinguish

What you could do with Frenzy Mode is light a bunch of people around it on fire, give the pyro speed I, and make the fire ticks do a lot of damage. Because what I see it as it Pyro's main cc option, If a pyro is in the flagroom, and a bunch of people come in, this will be it's counter. This uses the actual fire ticks as a weapon, dealing a lot of true damage (fire ignored armor?). And by making the pyro's damage while the target is on fire higher, this just add's to Pyro's sustain.

o, true that xddd

Yeah, I mean true damage. Fire lasts for about 8 seconds now, that should be lowered, but the pyro get's true damage like this in return.

 

How about this: players lit on fire have their armor removed for a limited time, reducing its power in midfield but keeping its effectiveness in defense?

 

I like it bro!

 

In the OP it says targets lit on fire take 5 hearts of true damage per hit, which is insanely strong. Did you mean 2.5/3, and that makes frenzy mode make more sense at 3.5 hearts.

Well, what I meant with the fire ticks is that it should do a short burst of fire damage in a short time, then a slow burn. So think of it as a fireblast, doing damage and lighting them on fire with a slight knockback. Then the target burns, and in that time the pyro can wail on all the targets lit with the increased damage and possibly speed.

So maybe laike 3 hearts of damage over 1 second, and then burn for 3 more seconds, where the pyro can then use his increased damage. The only problem I see with this is why pyro would ever use their bow, when frenzy mode lights them on fire for him and does more damage, with a pretty short cooldown.

 

now buffed pyro is even more scary if this was ever implemented,
you failed me tyson

Jk, this is a better idea then seeing people going around lighting people on fire and giving them a free trip back to spawn. Yes I'm a bit of a hypocrite for doing this before, but that's because I've exhausted all my ideas on making this gamemode fun for myself, I'd like to see this change.

 

This is a lot of information in one post.

Let's see hmmm..
I'm guessing you edited everything and taken every idea in consideration from above. Next time, if I'm going to read your post I'm going to ignore all the comments. I'm assuming you edited it.

Even though in the conclusion it did say Axetinguish when I don't see axetinguish anywhere else on the post.

-I think the cool down for Frenzy Mode should be between 10 or 20 seconds (assassin's assassinate) because for every 8 seconds you can just use frenzy mode again at someone and again and again. But other wise it's ok.

-The "steak" turning to health is not too op in my opinion. It's just saving you time "steaking".

-Another thing is the explosion at the end of Frenzy Mode. It deals 6 hearts of true damage to anyone lit on fire. Maybe lower the 6 hearts to 5 hearts. In your post you said that enemies will be lit on fire for 5 seconds. And Frenzy Mode after 4 seconds. So if you active Frenzy Mode (all enemies in a 3 block radius will be lit on fire) then it's almost guaranteed that all the players will be dealt with the 6 hearts of true damage.

Maybe the fire time should be shorter than if you use the bow?
Maybe players inside x blocks radius is only affected.

Otherwise it's good. You have lot's of server ideas but I noticed that they're not being used. Or staff doesn't reply very often.

 

I LOVE IT

 

Now you remind me how much health chemists have I think the extra damage from archer is necessary after all xD
Plus those 5 regen pots which is probably another 12 or more steak at least.

 

TBH the archer damage is a band aid fix.

 

This looks like a really good rework in my opinion and I would like to see it added.

Also maybe don't use Axetinguish as an example because some people might not know what you are talking about... (I do)