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Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Plautius, Nov 9, 2015.

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  1. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    Hi :smile:

    If you're not into CTF, joined CTF recently or are any kind of other random, stop reading. Well, the non-CTF staff might be interested.. This is just a list of things CTF is lacking right now, and a small conclusion you might want to read if you don't care about any of the other stuff.

    Okay so there has been tons of lag on CTF, don't say there hasn't. No message, no fix, nothing. This is the point where at McPvP we got a post on the forums saying it's because of this and that and that the coders are fixing it. Nothing.

    Then, wool. The flag was wool before, it looked aesthetically nice and was suited for gameplay, didn't get in anyone's way or something. Banners on the other hand hinder capping a lot, the range is different, and the view is different, greatly changing the way e. g. pyro reacts to it.

    Then, classes. No updates or reworks in sight. Even though they are needed..

    Then, community. How about you introduce a tutorial for the noobs to read so they can grasp even a bit more complex systems of gameplay so you don't have to make CTF simpler constantly?

    Then, politics. As mentioned before, the community feels very excluded in what will be fixed, updated or alike. On McPvP for example you could donate for a certain class that then would get a rework if a certain amount of donations were reached, this provided extra funding for a cause the community can directly see. If there were reworks to be introduced, polls were made, and not just sometimes.

    Then, forum policies. Accept that there are some people here cooler than you.. hallopiu got banned from Slack and from the forums afaik - he is one of the best CTF players, and one of the most popular ones. He knows his way around anything CTF-related very well and is a very creative personality, shame you didn't notice. Take a joke, really. Don't ban everything everywhere you can. And if he was mean because Brawl pissed him off, maybe you should be thinking about yourself, not him^^ Because he has proven himself to CTFers, you haven't.

    Conclusion (the interesting part)

    The reason I see CTFers, especially the regulars in teams and from McPvP as a sort of judiciary instance in the whole matter of CTF changes is the fact they make CTF what it is. If only noobs were online, see what would happen. And there are enough CTFers out there you pissed off very efficiently who are now planning to make their own CTF - amongst them coders, McPvP staff and good regulars. And if they keep up the McPvP traditions, wool for example?

    How many would leave? How many teams would disband? Can you say how popular this will be? I can't, I'm not part of any of this, but I know of the existance of multiple CTF alternative creations still WIP. Some of them have joined each other, even..

    You tell me if you can ignore this or not, brawl. You tell me. This is not a threat, this is a warning^^ Listen to the community for your own good.

    ~Plaut
     
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  2. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    There hasn't been that much lag for me. And I'm on a 2.5MB/s connection.

    For ****s sake.

    Yeah like CTF was so much better before wool. (sarcasm) Just from my perspective - and I know its a little bit crazy to say this - but I don't think the removal of wool has ruined the game. In fact it's been about the same imo.

    Yup.

    I think adding a lobby or something like what Seige (on McPVP had) as a live-guide for classes would be good to have just for convenience. However, CTF doesn't need to be consistently 'simplified', I mean it's not like new players have the IQ of Forrest Gump or something so they should be able to grasp how Elf works - for example - after using it a couple times or watching a tutorial. (That's what I did and I figured out how to use it - not all that well - pretty quickly)

    True enough. Still donating to fund what rework you want is a really bad way of fixing things since everyone sees problems in different areas, some of which are not even problems and that creates more issues for the coders.

    Right, because getting banned is the definition of coolness! (lol)

    What does this even mean? Becoming part of the CTF community is not like becoming a Jedi. There is no Master Yoda you have to 'prove yourself' too.
     
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  3. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    ok. about lag.
    I uploaded this video for the only god damn purpose of proving all you wrong. When were you last on CTF? A month ago? When it's evening for EU kids, there's a ****ton of lag, 3/5 servers down, and CTF is literally unplayable.

    hallopiu was cool before he was banned. As opposed to you? I don't know. You know him well enough to not spout bullcrap purely to be an antagonist.

    And about the proving, did you finish reading? I am talking about trust. If hallopiu now for example (I'm not saying he is) creates a new, super cool nostalgia McPVP CTF, then guess who people will like more - brawl or him.. But I'm glad you can read the text at least. Oh wait, you can't.

    The donating shows where the community thinks problems are, as you said, there are no objectively defined problems.

    And you don't ever cap, do you. You don't ever steal, or defend, or do anything to make the name CTF have a point. Because if you do, be it defend or offend, you noticed differences. And not only aesthetic ones.

    @Admiral_Sp00kson :smile: Sorry for not answering in correct order or quoting by the way, cba
     
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  4. EmperorTrump45

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    Yes there are objectively defined problems with the game - instant kills for example as well as soldier wallspam. The issue with donating - for reworks - is that it's severely flawed because someone could just donate a ton of money to get a rework that they want although most others may not and that certainly doesn't represent community opinion.

    Of course I finished reading although I do not and did not know hallopiu.

    I do defend, and I do play and have played CTF for 3.5 years now. To that end, it's pretty rude of you to assume that I have never played CTF objectively simply because I disagree with your point.

    That said I played a lot of CTF before banners were added (so yes I did cap a lot with wool) and while I have not played or capped as much after banners I didn't see too much of a difference - although they were a bit glitchy at first. Tl;dr I do think wool was better than banners but at this point I don't care all that much.
     
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  5. Extant

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    I don't really get lag but I find the flag is a bit difficult sometimes. But all in all it looks so much more professional.
     
  6. Ironic_Gentleman

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    I'll be frank here, Hallo needed to be more mature on the forums. I didn't often see a post of his that wasn't merely ":^)" or "DANK MEME" or something of the sort. I love the guy and all, but I do not disagree with his banning, and I guarantee that he got more than enough warnings.
     
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  7. sateburger

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    nice music xd
     
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  8. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    @Admiral_Sp00kson I don't mean to say you have no CTF experience. But if since june you have a total playtime of less than 16 hours, that's less than one hour a week. And I don't know when or how you're online because I never see you.. But I was talking about the banners affecting gameplay where your 3 years of McPvP don't really play a role.
    About donations - better to get money in like that than with engineer. There have been free forum polls on McPvP too.. Ones that were recognized by the devs, that is.

    @Ironic_Boogeyman now, hallopiu happens to be quite tolerated with all his jokes and memes within Ctf chats, don't you think? It's not like he was verbally abusong on a serious level where people would start to worry.
    As i said, take a joke brawl. I've had more than one serious discussion with hallo, and he happens to have a pretty big chunk of stuffs behind the meme layer, don't you think?

    @Extant PROFESSIONAL? Happens to be the most amateur thing around. Looks > gameplay makes something professional? I care about more than that outer shell.

    This is by the way the point where I'll stop posting here, i think I've made my point clear..

    @sateburger thank thank
     
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  9. Ironic_Gentleman

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    I don't deny that one bit. However, he never showed his maturity on the forums themselves, and he almost certainly got multiple warnings, at least one, before his forumban.
     
  10. Removers

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    Sums up why i said the community is toxic because of how brawl works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  11. Ironic_Gentleman

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    I don't even know? ;-; I didn't make it do that ... .-.
     
  12. EmperorTrump45

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    You hurt meh feelings man :frowning: (why do you like to hurt?)
     
  13. Lung

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    I wouldn't say that the community is "toxic" but I think it's getting worse
     
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  14. sulfuratus

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    I don't get any lag except for the times when the router decides to complain about the fact that there are more than 40 people online. Have you checked /ping ingame?
    About the banner vs wool story: Since banners were introduced knockback has become a much stronger weapon for defence. It feels like you need to stand still near the banner for a moment to steal it.
    These are the things I wanted to add. Apart from that I fully agree with you. But I don't think you should stop posting on your own thread as long as the discussion is carried further on by the other side.
     
  15. Plautius

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    if you ask for it. Two days ago, four out of five servers were down at one point, for the most part of the evening it was 3/5. One more was totally overloaded (114/50 at one point) and seriously unplayable, the other one started to lag as soon as more than 20 people were online. Game speed with /lag was at 11% at one point, and that command usually is incorrect meaning lag is usually worse.

    now, if 100ms is my normal ping as EU player (it won't get much better, sadly), and if its lagging just a bit so I have 150-200ms, I can't really play anymore. As i said Ture, watch the video >_> I watched it myself, and it doesn't even seem that bad, but also judging by the chat you can see it was really horrible.. If you play yourself, that one tenth of a second is way more relevant than if you just watch^^
     
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    1st impression: the door is to your left.
    2nd impression: ok fine, I'll read it. OK, it's actually quite good.
    3rd impression: Just gonna do a random comment and stay neutral in the discussion.
    Random comment:

    I didn't know you had a youtube channel :O
     
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  17. sulfuratus

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    I watched it. I didn't read chat though.
    I know that.
    I never experienced that, but that doesn't mean I don't believe you.
     
  18. TheZombieKat

    TheZombieKat CTFer since May 2012

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    I agree with a bunch of what you said: the wool not getting in people's way, the donation goals to get classes rework, and a bit of lag. I play with a fairly bad Internet connection, but it's been a little bit worse since MCPVP. I'm not saying it's Brawl's fault, 'cause I don't know that. It could just be my Internet dying, I don't know.
     
  19. sulfuratus

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    Or it could be the fact MCPVP's servers were situated in New York in the end while Brawl's servers are located somewhere in Canada. New York is one of the most trafficked IXPs in the world, so the connection there should usually be better if you don't live way closer to the place where Brawl's servers are located.
     
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