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The elf nerf... *laughs*

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by pookeythekid, Jan 4, 2016.

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  1. pookeythekid

    pookeythekid Well-Known Member

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    Everyone knows elf is literally the most difficult class in the game to effectively play, and yet here it is, apparently having been nerfed.

    Do people need to be reminded that elf has more than one ability, most of which require the same fuel as the wind element? Does it require a genius to realize just how easy it is to kill an immobile elf, or even a mobile one? Just about every class in the game is a hard or soft counter to elf: mages and chemists destroy it, heavies only need to strafe randomly to get close, ninjas are even more effective than heavies, the shield does next to nothing against archers (as well as mages), soldiers are fairly tanky and even the new soldier can go most places that the OLD elf can, assassins are the same deal as any other class with a sword, and the NEW pyro can easily penetrate an elf's shield with the new Fury Mode or whatever it's called.

    Please see @Admiral_Munson's Elf is the Work of Satan for in-depth descriptions of the ridiculous skill requirement of the class.

    Now, why should elf not be nerfed aside from its general squishiness and lack of power? Because, ten arrows is about the bare minimum necessary for the class to be effective in the one role it's somewhat defined in: capturing. I could go into detail about why 10 is the magic number between success and failure but I'd like not to since I'm on my phone, and I trust that my word can be trusted with my own elf experience.

    Anyway, about roles: it's quite clear that elf is one crap of a support class although it does perform that role somewhat. It's just plain a joke as core defense, and midfielding is useless while archer is available and far more effective. Capturing is the only way it's used in official matches, anyway. Not only was elf inferior to other classes in getting in and out if the flag room in the first place with its armor being one point fewer than that of pyro, but now its wind element mobility--the one thing it relies on to cross the map in a hurry without dying to almost literally every class in the game (except dwarf and of course necro)--has been nerfed into uselessness.

    Now, feel free to discuss & debate.

    (@Skarm @Kriz @EddKrumbs)
     
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  2. jarboyp

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    Wait, elf was nerfed? Lol. What was that nerf?
     
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  4. GetShadowRealmed

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    So the same could be said about assassin. Without assassinate, the iron sword barely does damage to some classes like heavy and other armored class. The assassin then has to either have very good pvp skills or hide due to the fact they will get 2-3 shot
     
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    I mean to be fair, I wouldn't exactly say it takes a ton of skill, just recognition. Once you find out how to counter something, for example defensive pyro as elf, it becomes pretty clean cut and repetitive to do.

    I also disagree with the 'elf is one crap of a support class' statement. Removing fire from a flag carrier, slowing down recoverers with earth spell, blowing them back with wind element, etc... is a huge boost to your offense.
     
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  6. TomD53

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    Yeah, I'm starting to play a lot more elf now after the chemist nerf. The fact it takes 2 arrows is a bit much in my opinion, maybe the wind element should have a cooldown of 5 seconds after one has used it 5 times? Then after the cooldown has ended, the elf can use it again for another 5 times at most, as long as they have the arrows of course.

    @NomNuggetNom

    Yes, however if you're good at strafing you can quite often take people out with your iron sword, especially as players usually block almost all the time when they see an assassin that's any good near them, thanks to the rubbish blocking detection that brawl seems to have *cough*

    However, assassin is ridiculously OP when it has its assassinate, especially when the target is distracted.
     
  7. jarboyp

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    I wouldn't say that assassin is op, it is just an all or nothing class. Yes it can imstantkill, but that is important in ctf when trying to kill a heavy quickly or trying to kill the flag cap. Also, keep in mind that the assassin can be intantkilled too when activating its Redstone.
     
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    Many assassins do this thing called 'faking' where they switch to their assassinate, then back to their sword without activating it. This occasionally tricks people because they think that it's ok to unblock because the assassin has used their assassinate and is no longer dangerous. Also, almost all the time people block before they get assassinated but thanks to brawls wonderful servers it doesn't work.
     
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    I was talking about your last paragraph when you said assassin is op. Are you saying it needs a nerf, or that this bug needs to be fixed?
     
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    Ah, ok. Shall we get back on topic now?
     
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  11. GetShadowRealmed

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    @TomD53 If you strafe and don't let the assassin hit you, when assassinate is activated, the assassin has low defense and is prone to being 1 shot
     
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    Yeah, lets do that.
     
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  13. pookeythekid

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    AAHHEMM!!! This is about elf.

    @Miskey personally I have learned to overcome most of the elf counters in most situations; my point addressed the normal people who haven't dedicated countess hours to becoming skilled and proficient in consistently 3-shotting people with Pure Element, which is ridiculously hard when you're starting out.

    Also for support: extinguishing teammates only applies to a single horizontal plane with a 3-block radius at most. If they're jumping while running, you have a much smaller chance of extinguishing the player if you hit the ground near them; it's even worse when there are other players blocking your shot.

    Please refer to Munson's thread that I linked where he points out that my complete elf guide is 4200 words, way too long to describe a class that can be played by any average dude.
     
  14. BAWSS5

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    People who play ctf... *laughs*

    Why does anybody play elf anyways? Why use a class that has less armour, hp, and offensive capability than say, archer? And archer is free!

    Elf has a bunch of fancy capabilities that are entirely outdone by archer's headshots, always. Fire on the flagcarrier is not a problem when the pyro's dead, why slow an enemy down when he could just be dead, and the wind element is a more useless kb 2.

    Guys. I mean, it's even got a shield that reflects archer arrows back at them. Which lasts for maybe 2 seconds and will always miss if the archer moves 1 block away. Even that is more useless than just shooting the archer back.
     
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    Elf is played for the one reason that I am ranting in this thread: wind element mobility. I mean, that and being practically fireproof with the shield and water element. Aside from ninja, elf was the most mobile class in the game with the wind element working horizontally as well as vertically, as opposed to soldier which goes vertically.

    There are three reasons why I started playing elf instead of soldier long before the class rework: it was gifted to me, I got bored of archer, and I wanted to be good at something difficult. Again, the only other real reason to play elf is for the wind element and capping; now with the required mobility nearly removed from that, it could really use a defined role in the game.
     
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    after playing with elf nerf for awhile, I agree that in the current state wind element is almost no use to elf. I believe in a post by nohox he said elf wind element was always meant to be used to hop from place to place (like tree to tree) I don't think the current wind element can meet that criteria. With almost any tree to tree jump you are going to need probably 2 punches, meaning 4 arrows, meaning 4 arrows taken from the offensive power of elf. If you are trying to use elf for combat, wind element is way too much of a risk. Each elf arrow takes 3 seconds to regen, so if you need to climb any structure more than 4 blocks, you will need 4 arrows. You better hope there is literally no one on the other team, because anyone within 68 blocks (The amount of blocks you can sprint in the time it takes elf to get enough arrows to go up "4 blocks") or else it's not an option. Again I'm going to say this, wind element needs a change to punish wind bow spammers, but not hurt the combat purposes of wind element.
     
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    Just hopping from place to place, i.e. from tree to tree, is a ridiculous function of elf considering its vulnerability if it fails to fly farther. Elf has a slightly similar concept to ninja: it's so dang squishy, so that was compensated by the ability to get away quickly. Considering it doesn't have any speed effects, it needs to rely on wind element as its only source of mobility. Crap, even the new soldier which some people complain about is far more mobile than this new elf!
     
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    Sure, the elf nerf sucks and everything but the thing that pisses me off the most is that it was nerfed so it wouldn't have better mobility than the "nerfed" soldier. I wonder whose idea that was!?
     
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    The discussion of that lead to the nerf (@Plautius)
     
  20. EmperorTrump45

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    Totally agree @pookeythekid. As such I have composed a song in honor of you post!

    Hey I just met you,
    And this is crazy,
    But I like your post,
    Buff Elf maybe?
    IT'S SOO HARD TO LOOK RIGHT AT YOU BABY
    So here's this post,
    Buff Elf maybe?

    Hey I just met you,
    And this is crazy,
    But I like your post,
    Buff Elf maybe?
    ALL THEM OTHER BOYS TRY TO CHASE ME
    BUT I OWN NINJA SO REKT M8!!!
    But here's this post,
    So buff Elf maybe?

    Nom took his time with the nerfs,
    I was impatient as hell,
    Now we got this stupid sh*t,
    And now you're in my way,
    Like a major cockblocker,

    I post, swag on, and chill,
    One rating and you know its real,
    You gave me this sh*tty nerf,
    And now you're in my way,

    Your stare was holding
    Ripped jeans
    Skin was showing
    And I was all like,
    NOPE

    Hey I just met you
    And this is crazy
    But I like your post,
    So buff Elf maybe?
    IT'S SOO HARD TO LOOK AT YOU BABY
    But here's this post,
    So buff Elf maybe?

    Before you RUINED this class,
    I didn't make parodies,
    About this song,
    Cause I'm gonna level with you man,
    It's SOOO bad.
    It's so so bad.
    Seriously, it's pretty ratchet,
    Does anyone even use that word anymore?
    And you should know that,
    So buff Elf maybe?

    Buff Elf Maybe? By Admiral_Munson, The Call Me Maybe Parody Company, Nashville TN. No Rights Reserved.

    If you liked this song and would like to see more equally sarcastic parodies (and hear them sung in my magnificent British accent) punch the like button IN THE FACE like an @BAWSS5!
     
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