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  1. pookeythekid

    pookeythekid Well-Known Member

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    I've had enough of this elf nerf. There was no cause for it in the first place, and there is just as zero reason to keep it this long. Elf's capping ability has been hindered beyond reason, to the point where the class serves literally no good purpose, with most classes in the game being more lethal than itself, and soldier being infinitely more armored, mobile, and PvP-worthy--medic and heavy, and screw it even NECRO have the same traits minus the mobility!

    @NomNuggetNom announced the nerf in the comments of "Comparing Elf and Soldier" by @Plautius, which, by the way, was a thread that didn't even ask for an elf nerf, but rather a soldier less-nerf. Nom said we'd go ahead and see how the elf nerf would work out.

    And here I am a month and a half later, a very experienced elf who plays the class every day that I play CTF (which is quite often), saying that it has not worked out one bit. While I could barely capture flags with the class before, that percentage has been more than halved. As a matter of fact, I've been playing soldier far more often lately because it's come to be better than elf in every way! This should not be happening!

    Seriously. This is ridiculous. Restore elf to its former glory--I mean insane challenging-ness, because as it is it's just plain impossible to use.

    @Admiral_Munson toottaallyy didn't steal any title ideas whatsoever :wink:
     
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  2. EmperorTrump45

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    You're totally right m8. Elf badly needs a buff. I can understand why the mobility was nerfed but the fact that nothing else (especially the next to useless water element or weakish armor) was not buffed to compensate for it is ridiculous.

    I get that the staff want to see how the wind element nerf works out before they change anything. Well, it's been a few weeks since the change was made and we've seen exactly how this nerf has worked out.

    It has made Elf a much weaker class, a fact that anyone who has played the class for more than 5 seconds agrees on, and far harder to use well than it ever should be. It is not worth 2.50$. Heck, it is barely worth ten pennies. But seriously, what do you (@staff) expect to happen when Elf's mobility gets nerfed so hard that I can barely climb up a 12 block high tree with 10 arrows? Do you expect everyone who uses Elf to love that kind of nerf because the class is now nice and 'balanced'? Of course not.

    Elf isn't useless but it blows my mind that it has not gotten a buff in any area. Can someone explain that to me? Can someone enlighten me as to why this class has not gotten a one up when somehow every single HG kit was able to be reworked/tweaked? Can someone explain how Brawl manages to come out with a new gamemode (Wild West) while 5 minutes couldn't be taken out to make Elf a little less ridiculously difficult to use? Can someone explain how can we nerf Elf without giving it a buff? Would that infringe on the 'balance' in CTF? Or would that make the class a little too good to where more than like 5 people could actually do some stuff with it? The horror!

    As far as I'm concerned there is no reason that Elf should be as hard to use as it is. There is no reason why it should take a ton of shots to kill someone (who isn't stupid and/or not paying attention) with the pure element. There is no reason why Elf should totally suck in melee (which it does). Hell, if you're going to nerf a class, like Elf or Necro, to where it's so weak or hard to use to where its almost useless then buff the darn thing!

    The very fact that classes like Elf, or classes like Necro are left in states where they are neither very useful or very powerful is basically a "screw you" with a Brawl logo to everyone who bought or owns the classes. It is bad and it is wrong. As I have said already, there is no reason not to buff Elf. And in a similar vein there is no reason not to buff Necro. People paid for these classes and they should be able to get something actually worth the 2.50$ and if that's not the case then everyone who owns them should get a refund.

    That's really all there is to it.

    #buffElf
     
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  3. TheZombieKat

    TheZombieKat CTFer since May 2012

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    I enjoyed playing Elf when I was able to "fly" around and fight people; now it's just hard to do anything with it. The mobility it had was one reason Elf was an awesome class. You could deal a bunch of damage, and then were able to distance yourself to deal more damage again. Now you can't really do that. If you've used 4 arrows on someone, you've only got 3 clicks of flight which, in reality, won't get you very far.
     
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    pookeythekid Well-Known Member

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    Yep. Just jumping away to eat some steak then going right back into the fight is often impossible because I have no arrows left for pure element.

    Edit: holy füdge admiral make up your mind with your edits lol
     
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  5. Sir_Inge

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    It boils down to this:
    Elf violates logic.
    Legolas is OP. Legolas is an elf. Therefore, Elves are OP.
    [​IMG]
     
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  6. GalaThundR

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    My personal ideas for elf:

    The pure element would pretty much stay the same, but the damage given on the bow combos would be changed as:
    1st shot: regular bow damage.
    2nd shot: 4 hearts of true damage.
    3rd shot, 6 hears of true damage.
    4th and so on, 8 hearts of true damage.
    The damage would increase the better the combo is. This would still let elf be able to kill tanky classes, but they would need to be skillful to do so.

    The earth element and wind element arrow consumption should be switched. They should make the earth element take 2 arrows but the element would be buffed.
    The earth element would still stop the player and crush blocks on them, but it would do a larger amount of damage to that player and it'd give them slowness 1 for 3-5 seconds. Useful for runners and recovering.

    The wind element's bow shot is next to useless other than messing with people. My idea for this is when the arrow is shot, any player in a 2x2 area where the arrow landed would be pushed back 2-4 blocks. A direct hit from this arrow would fling that player 5-7 blocks horizontally and 1-3 blocks vertically in the direction the arrow was going.
    Remove the nerf on elf's 'flying' ability.

    The water element would pretty much remain as it is, but the effects the arrow would give you would change a little.
    The arrow would give you:
    Resistance I for 12 seconds.
    Regeneration I for 5-8 seconds.
    This element would still put out fires and extinguish players.

    Please fix the shield. Elf's shield cannot reflect most of mage's spells. Other than that, the shield is fine.

    Armor:
    Elf's armor should be buffed to Protection II (Maybe give it feather falling on it's boots)

    Weapons:
    Elf's sword seems pretty balanced. Does decent amount of damage to more fragile classes, but doesn't do much to tanky classes. That balances it out for me.
    Make all the bows unbreakable.

    Passives:
    (optional) Add a passive speed I to the class. Elves are described in lore as quick and agile. Elf has the agile part, now all we need is a little speed.
     
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  7. pookeythekid

    pookeythekid Well-Known Member

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    Ngl I don't like the pure and earth ideas, as well as the passive speed. But I do like everything else, though you should add in expanding the minimum radius for Water Element to 2x2 instead of the current 1x1 (which requires the arrow to land on the block on which you are standing, which often doesn't work while you're moving).
     
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    The Only thing i use it for now is spamming earth element @Shelbzb00
     
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  9. Shelbzb00

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    You should like get banned tbh imo ...
     
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    Nou, elf spam is fun
     
  11. asagod

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    1+ and ily but you should've tagged me sooner, I would already have gotten my squad to see this

    Hot damn, you write better than Shakespeare. I wouldn't be surprised if you wrote a bestselling novel
     
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  12. pookeythekid

    pookeythekid Well-Known Member

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    It was nice of @TheZombieKat to respond here, but will this get any other staff recognition at all? I know Nom has stuff to do, but anyone else? :I

    heck, I'll even ask for this to be moved to Server Ideas if it gets more recognition there, since staff actually do read threads in that section
     
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  13. EmperorTrump45

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    I agree. This thread is very important ^^ and it deserves far more consideration. It's infuriating when basically every time a thread like this one pops up most of the staff mysteriously disappear as if these sort of problems don't exist or deserve actual consideration. Then when you complain about the near total lack of attention some staff member will lecture you on how they "consider community input". Do they? I don't know.

    What I do know is that classes like Necro have been pretty much destroyed. What I do know is that this issue with Elf hasn't gotten addressed even though it would not take that long to give it a well deserved buff that would make it a much better class. What I do know is that it does not take 4 years to fix a class (Necro) and it certainly doesn't take almost 2 months to tweak a class (Elf) that got wrecked by a single minded nerf.

    I do not mean disrespect to the moderators or the coders but come on, how hard would it be to make Elf just a little bit better?
     
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    pookeythekid Well-Known Member

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    Bump. Seriously, does this thread not have enough support to have been recognized by now?
     
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  16. GalaThundR

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    As much as I love elf, ctf has bigger problems than it right now. Elf's buff is not the #1 priority.
     
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    I would like to see elf better than it was before, to be completely honest, I think the reason elf was introduced was because MCPVP was dying and they needed something to get they're income going again to stay alive. But the issue they had was that they spent too much time worrying about they're income and didn't make it any special to make people want to buy it. Even though it's worse than it was before it was even added back on MCPVP, the original elf was still pretty bad to me. I'm all for the idea of "spicing up the pot" but maybe add a little more variety of spices to make it better than ever. I think that the class should at least be better than the plot of the movie elf. :/

    [​IMG]
     
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    True, I'd rather live to see the day Necro is buffed or dwarf or assassin reworked. But this isn't such a taxing task. Go to the elf config or hard code if that's how it was coded, then change a certain integer of 2 to 1. Done.
     
  19. ProfeshunalSpelr

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    All for making Elf a high mobility, somewhat a glass cannon (ranged) class.
     
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    It's already mobile enough, it ****ing fly. Soldier can yes, but not anywhere, like litterally. This **** is super smash bros in CTF.
     
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