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Removing Map Replays

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by SoCool21, May 5, 2016.

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  1. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    It happens all too often when Opposites Collide gets played back to back, as there's two versions of the same map in the rotation. Almost all the time there's complaints in chat when this happens, mostly because people get bored of the same map after 20 minutes. This happens with a few other maps too (especially after Wave XI, which added a lot of new reworks and didn't remove the old one). These are all the maps it happens with:
    • Opposites Collide & Opposites Collide V
    • Desert Strike III & Deserty Desert Strike (Desert Strike V)
    • Blackout, Whiteout & Blackout X
    • Beaver Creek I & Walrus Creek
    • Kill Creek IV and Kill Creek V
    Opposites Collide is especially bad, since there's almost no changes between the two versions apart from a moved flag and one tunnel going from the flagroom to the top layer. I don't think any of these maps should be removed (although 3 versions of Blackout is a bit much), but they shouldn't be able to be played back to back.
     
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    #1 SoCool21, May 5, 2016
  2. eilgav

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    COOL!
     
    #2 eilgav, May 5, 2016
  3. Magnificent

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    I like how as you posted this the game I was on went from Opposites Collide to Opposites Collide V.

    good ****
     
    #3 Magnificent, May 5, 2016
  4. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I was in the game xD couldn't be bothered to play against your nubby pyro for another 20 minutes :L
     
    #4 SoCool21, May 5, 2016
  5. Miskey

    Miskey Leader of Annihilation | Former Media Manager

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    Imo the version with the better rating should be kept, and the other removed. No need for 2-3 versions of the same map.
     
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    #5 Miskey, May 5, 2016
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    #6 EmperorTrump45, May 5, 2016
  7. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    Since there was a thread complaining about the CTF servers being not at all spread out, what if there were different map rotations for each server uniquely? Like Server 1 has opposites collide, then Server 2 has beaver creek. There would have to be judging on how to make it equal so people don't crowd up on one server, and a put of development put into that, but I don't view it as a bad idea. Or really just a random selection that is unique for each server, but has no same rework / reskin.
     
    #7 MrWaffleman, May 5, 2016
  8. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I don't really see the point of this. I'd rather just be able to play any map on any server, because if my favourite map (Tanks <3) is only on server 3 and there's no players on server 3, there'd be no chance I'd get to play it.
     
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    #8 SoCool21, May 5, 2016
  9. Quarrelt

    Quarrelt Genetic co-leader | team!

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    You're seeing a lot of double now because we're testing to see if they should replace the old version. The issue with Blackout/Whiteout and Beaver Creek/Walrus Creek is that they both are fairly high on the rating list and they aren't far enough apart to warrant the removal of one yet.
     
    #9 Quarrelt, May 5, 2016
  10. Snowleak14

    Snowleak14 Well-Known Member

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    Yes those 3 people complaining are representing the ctf community.
     
    #10 Snowleak14, May 5, 2016
  11. GreenNature

    GreenNature Nature is Creative

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    Blackout is old but gold.
     
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    #11 GreenNature, May 5, 2016
  12. iMuffles

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    ur mums old but gold
     
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    #12 iMuffles, May 6, 2016
  13. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I literally said "almost all the time there's complaints in chat". I didn't say that everyone complains, I didn't even say that people complain every time it happens. I never said the whole community thinks this, you're the first person in this thread to even mention the word community. At least read the thread properly if you're going to criticise.
    This definitely makes sense. What if maps such as Beaver Creek and Walrus Creek were each half as likely to be chosen, so the chance of Beaver Creek or Walrus Creek being played is the same as the chance of non-duplicated map being played.
     
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    #13 SoCool21, May 6, 2016
  14. pandanielxd

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    If you ask me its not as bad if you have like the 2 kill creek versions or the 2 desert strikes after eachother because the gameplay is pretty different, the rest i completely agree with, and ALSO imo blackout needs to be removed bc of blackout X (it looks better and gameplay is basically the same?!?!)
     
    #14 pandanielxd, May 6, 2016
  15. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Agreed with the first part, this thread was mostly made for Opposites Collide. With removing Blackout... Blackout X is new and could turn out to be a bad map, yet Blackout is the most popular map in the game based on the /y and /n votes. Removing Whiteout would be better, since gameplay there is also very similar.
     
    #15 SoCool21, May 6, 2016
  16. pandanielxd

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    We will find out how blackout X will be later then.
     
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    #16 pandanielxd, May 6, 2016
  17. Miskey

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    I believe Blackout actually plays better due to a few of the changed structures on Blackout x. Aesthetics can always be edited, gameplay should be priority.
     
    #17 Miskey, May 6, 2016
  18. 19Cameron91

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    This has never happened when I'm on.
     
    #18 19Cameron91, May 6, 2016
  19. pookeythekid

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    But maps like Desert Strike 3 and Deserty DS I find to have fairly different gameplay. Not sure if it's just me, but DDS seems smaller than its predecessor, and if it's not then it kind of plays that way. The flag room is a lot less awkward imo (could use more light though), and the major thing is that there's a lot more cover to run through. Pairs of maps like this may have the same name and still have very roughly the same style, but their gameplay can be extremely different, and if that's the case then they should be left in rotation.
     
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    #19 pookeythekid, May 7, 2016
  20. Cardonation

    Cardonation CTF JMOD | CMS Leader

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    Yes *crycry*

    I would like to put special emphasis on how @SoCool21 said 20 minutes on Opposites Collide
     
    #20 Cardonation, May 9, 2016
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