Idea Archer rework: Changing the playstyle of an archer

I like the concept. I am all for instakills, but if it does come to a time where instakills are removed, I think this is a very good alternative.

 

For the reduced healing part - if the healing from medics is halved, does that mean Medic only heals 5 hearts? Or does it take the player's current health, calculate how much is it missing from full health and then healing half of that number? Except for that, great concept, +1

 

I personally wouldn't like the bleed effect. Just wondering for the reduced healing be a shorter range than 30 but still big enough to not have bow spam as a complete issue? Otherwise i like the rest of this and good job.

 

-1

Let's say you've been hit by an Archer. If you're completely new, you'll die pretty quickly. With the current mechanic you'll see that you've been "headshot" and you'll accept that since it makes a certain amount of sense, but you're not going to get that from the bleed mechanic, because in the context of CTF it's illogical. If you can bleed to death from arrow wounds, why not sword wounds? You'd likely risk alienating MORE players with this than you would with headshots since it's practically an instakill on inexperienced players, but you don't have the headshot message to justify it.

Now let's say you've been playing for a while, you know how it works and you get hit. The first thing you're going to do is steak as fast as you can, which'll leave you with decent health and no steak. Unless you're on a decent killstreak or you're carrying the flag, there's no reason why you shouldn't just respawn. For you, Archer is now more of an inconvenience than a serious threat.

Now imagine you're the Archer itself: you can't consistently kill anyone who knows the mechanics, you're even worse close range than you were before the rework, and the only kills you get are from people who don't know how to play the game yet. What's the point? There's absolutely no reason to play Archer anymore, it's not simple enough for a free class anyway, and even if you do choose to play, you're essentially preying on the weak.

Absolutely terrible idea.

 

If you've been hit by an Archer you'll die instantly because it's an instant kill. Whoaaa what a mind blowing concept DOOOOD

You do realize that most people in this thread (including @Miskey) do understand how headshots work right? Also, just because there's a message letting you know that you've been totally screwed (a.k.a. 'headshot') does not mean that Archer's long range 1 shot missile launcher is a mechanic that makes any sense to have in CTF.

Lol. Who cares? EVERYTHING about CTF is illogical. Like, white dudes can fly with their equally white swords, naked people can turn invisible with red pixie dust, and pimps can heal their allied sex slaves with their swords because reasons!

What.

No duh.

Assuming that you don't actually die, which has a pretty good chance of happening since those two seconds go by pretty quickly (and since people don't always have more than 6 hearts of health) and if the Archer is worth their salt they'll most likely get the kill on a second shot (assuming their quarry survives the first).

Point being you're trying to discredit the value of this idea based on a series of assumptions, which was the same strategy used by people who didn't want Pyro's instant kill replaced with true damage Frenzy. And like then it's still a bogus argument (Pyro's frenzy mode is extremely powerful).

So... what you're saying is if Archer's may not be able to get insanely good 10-1 KDRs as much as they used too the class will be RUINED and @wintergreen3 will jump off a cliff because life suddenly isn't worth living anymore when you can't piss off half the server because Archer's current meta is total bullsh*t? I see, well that's some

absolutely terrible logic right there!

Also Miskey, thanks for giving credit where credit is due for this rework (although the idea was not strictly chaos' but a collaboration between him and me). +1 I love the reduced healing concept but does it include steaks? I assume it does but that's not immediately clear from the original post, and if it was I think it would really enhance the potential of this rework to a lot of people.

 

You're missing the point: this class would be largely useless against anyone who isn't new. It's not fun for anyone, and it's still a terrible idea, no matter how much you contributed to it.

 

I mean this is so easy to counter now, archer will only really be a threat to players if theyre grouped up, i find the headshots annoying but i find the best alternitive for changing the headshot it to instead increase the range needed for headshots/instakills or make archer bow damage based of range? And it could cap at X blocks

 

I'm sorry but this is rubbish. Firstly if instant kills are going to go, so are instant heals. With that being the case there isn't an easy way to heal off that kind of damage very easily. You're donig 6 hearts true damage right off the bat, and the 4 hearts from "bleed" (which can by the way be changed to be some other form of damage over time, that isn't as much of a concern) is going to end up costing you a lot of steak. Irrespective of whether archer is going to kill the player or not, you've severely weakened that player. You're also assuming that archers are only hitting people with all of their steak left and have the full 10 hearts, and unless that's at the start of a game, not many people have all of their items at once. Sure they may know the mechanic, but they might not have the tools on hand to solve that.

just as a side note going on the bleed mechanic, I agree it could be taken out of context, which is why I also suggested in the same skype conversation in which this was come up with that we could do a similar kind of thing with assassin, in which case it wouldn't totally be out of context. With a headshot, yes I think it's reasonable to assume you could take a lot of damage from a deep bleeding wound (especially if it was in the head)

But hey, if it's still a terrible idea I'm sure keeping archer as it is won't have cause any problems.

 

I feel like I'm going crazy. Have you all just been circlejerking between yourselves over how great your rework is? Unless you're an Assassin there's no way you're ever going to die to an Archer. One steak is enough to counter its effects. Hell, Medics don't even need to do anything. Sure, you've weakened the player, but who plays CTF to weaken players? It has no kill potential whatsoever unless you target people who don't know how to play the game. You haven't even buffed it in close-range combat to compensate.

It's horrendously underpowered and provides no incentive to play. Still a terrible idea, still -1.

 

Ok, first and foremost, no we haven't been

I find this bit offensive and completely unconstructive. If you want to disagree then by all means do but your insulting tone is going to do nothing but make people less likely to put forward suggestions, and the staff less likely to listen to them. What we need right now is constructive criticism, not people randomly insulting each other, half the community at breaking point as is.

Not true, short or long range. I can kill stuff with an archer sword, and the armor is by no means bad. Now I don't totally agree with this rework personally, I think there should be something along the lines of assassin sugar which gives speed for a short amount of time if an archer hits two consecutive shots short range in place of the punch. That way the archer becomes more mobile at the same time as being able to escape. With that said the stuff archer has, whilst not anywhere near as good as say a heavy, it's perfectly capable of killing and defending itself fairly effectively. You also miss the point that ARCHER IS SUPPOSED TO BE COUNTERED SHORT RANGE. I don't know how many times I've had to say this already but it's supposed to counter everything long range and be countered short. Right now it's too powerful short range, I'm sure plenty of people will agree with me (unless you want to take it the other way and say everything else isn't powerful enough, take your pick).

well done, you've spotted that if you use 1 steak you survive from full health! Except if you were to do that you'd only have 4 hearts of health for whatever you're going into fight. Sure the archer doesn't get the kill itself, but it's done it's job in that it significantly weakens the player it hits even once, which objectively make sense. Maybe it's not powerful enough, maybe it should be 8 true damage, and 4 hearts bleed. Absolute specifics need to be thought about, just as almost every suggestion needs to go through tweaks. The point is the premise is still there, and with this suggestion irrespective of whether the archer kills on the first hit or not it does a significant amount of damage.

Pretty much every class attempting to kill people other than archers and assassins. The idea is to weaken something and hopefully kill it. For example, if you've got a heavy, it's not going to kill something with one swing of it's sword with nothing able to stop it. Instead, it's consecutive hits over a longer period of time to weaken the foe, reducing it's health and steaks until it dies. Right now what archer is doing is instakilling rather than just simply doing a lot of damage. Obviously it's not as easy to headshot something as it is to get a single hit on something and so the damage is scaled up, in this case so it has the potential to kill in a single hit rather than every single time.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that the ability to do 6 hearts true damage + 4 hearts bleed by hitting a single arrow from over that range doesn't have any kill potential?

Been over this but it's meant to be weak short range, and even if I were to buff it somehow it'd be on the long range because that's what archer is for

1. Necro.
2. it still performs the same roles it did before, it's just not as good at them. Maybe you need that instakill to be able to do anything with it, but I know plenty of archers who certainly don't. In any case it's been confirmed instakills will be going so archer will lose that ability whether you like it or not.
3. Your opinion. I'm not going to attempt to convince someone who just tell us we're "circlejerking" when we don't agree with your opinion.

 

or you could just....












































Remove the class

 

When someone takes me serious, niceeeeeee
https://gyazo.com/4c376f81a5c079c06ef7470c72e805c4 I must of triggered a pro archer xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

 

Lol I suck at archer. Maybe I just feel this way cause I have been around since the beginning and archer and snipes have been a stapple of this game