Valentine's Day Dwarf Rework

nice one

 

anything better than current dwarf tbh

 

Winters Bite: What's the range on this? Could you just look across the map and call down a bunch of snow, or is there a limit? I would propose something like a mage snowball to target the area if there is a limit.

Dwarven Steel: I like it

Heart of Gold: Removing buffs temporarily is actually pretty cool, however the second part seems really situational. It requires for enemies to be buffed, and for enemies to be hitting the dwarf. idk, it seems to me like it would see little practical effect.

Dwarven Fury: I like it, although the cooldown seems really large for a game like CTF. Then again, we don't really have any long cooldowns so I don't know how it would play out. On a seperate note, would a soldier be able to wallclimb his way while under the knockback of Dwarven Fury, or would this lock them in place (similarly, could a ninja pearl out, etc...).

I do like the direction this rework took Dwarf, out of the campy bs it is now and more of a mobile tank support.

 

Bookmarked, will reply tomorrow.

 

Not really thought about this yet. I naturally assumed it would be around the dwarf itself, but again I'll ask

I loved the idea of removing buffs too. We got into the math behind this and we couldn't really work out effectively what the best percentage heal is good. The problem is if it's too high, you could potentially have a situation where the dwarf takes massive abuse, survives and then heals everyone in a particular place by 10 hearts, which basically saves the entire group of people. On the other hand, it could be so weak there's no practical effect with the average heal. It's a bit of a balancing act and I don't think we've quite got it sorted yet. If you've got an idea for that, please do tell @squishycalvin because I'll be happy to run through the calculations and see what would happen again

I liked this simply because it was powerful but long cooldown, specifically because it's not used a lot in ctf. The effect instantly removes a steak worth of health, plus knocks people around a lot and so it's definitely got the power. Admittedly I didn't even think of the mobility effects you suggested so I'll have a think about that.

Yeah, I like it in exactly. It's changed to vital support without being too ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

 

Will there be a mana pool? I was just thinking imagine activating all the abilities in an offensive push, particularly in a flagroom like VoR's.
Tanking, healing and slowing all at once seems a little OP to me, that's all. Maybe have a max of 2 abilities activated at the same time and then have the mana pool recharge over 5 seconds or something? Just a suggestion idk.
Also, for the fire charge, it says "enemies in range" but doesn't specify what that range is, unless I misunderstood something. What is the range?
Otherwise, love the idea, really hope it gets accepted.
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@Dankmastr_Memesn

 

ha memes C:

 

+1

 

Could be a thing. It was originally more synergistic than this version and I did point out that it might be a bit overkill for flagrooms if all of these were used together. Hopefully the cooldowns will somewhat help that (if you use all of them at 1 time, you've got nothing left for next time!) There's also a possibility we could make the abilities finite rather than regenerating (so you need a medic to use them)

The healing isn't actually as much as you'd think even though it sounds like a lot. The power really is associated with the tanking and damage redirection, and using those 2 abilities together you can take some serious abuse before dying.

Could work, 5 seconds isn't a lot of time given the recharge rates of the abilities we got here. My guess is you won't even be able to feel much of a difference. That idea might work though, with different scaled recharge times. Would also require we removed the XP bar showing cooldown thing.

Haven't discussed this yet, open to suggestions though!

 

It would have to be reasonably small, since it could do some seriously damaging stuff to defense on maps such as blackout, where the actual flagroom area is tiny. Possibly 3x3, assuming the dwarf is standing in the middle? So it'd be a range of 1 block in every direction.

 

@Dankmastr_Memesn
All in all, I think it's a very good rework idea and I like the way you're taking dwarf from defense to support/defense in midfield, however I do see a few potential flaws in the general idea.

Overall, the class itself has potential, but it seems like it will become a class with too much potential to do literally everything, making it limited to 1 per match, if not completely banned in competitive play, seeing as it has the following:

• AoE Slow (Soft CC)
• AoE Friendly Damage Reduction
• Self Health Increase
• AoE Enemy Damage Reduction
• AoE Team Heal
• True Damage Knockback
• 4 Steak

While all of the concepts contained in the class are cool in their own way, having them all be contained in a single class as separate abilities is too overpowered. As such, i'd recommend that the class be focused more on the support/defensive aspect for the team with the following changes.

Winter's Bite - Removed. While CC is good for supporting your team, its a bit OP on such a good support class as this.

Dwarven Fury - Good idea. This offers the offensive aspect of this class that allows it to play more roles than its intended support/defense role. I'd keep the knockback as it is, while reducing the true damage slightly, to 3 hearts.

Heart of Gold/Dwarven Steel - I'd combine these two abilities into one better supporting ability more suited to keeping your teammates alive. See following.

Dwarven Courage - Applies Absorption 2 to the dwarf for 5 seconds, adding 10 absorption hearts to the dwarf. All allies within a 9 block radius of the dwarf have 50% of the damage they take redirected to the dwarf. At the end of the 5 second effect, the dwarf is healed by an amount equal to half of the redirected damage taken. This ignores damage applied directly to the dwarf. If you still want to have the ability for the dwarf to assist in chasing down flag carriers or such, this ability can also apply speed 1 for 3 seconds to all allies within the radius upon activation.

Reduce steak from 4 to current 3.

Cooldowns remain the same on all abilities.

This Removes the following aspects from the dwarf:

• AoE Slow
• AoE Enemy Damage Reduction
• AoE Team Heal
• 1 Steak

Leaving the dwarf with the following

• Improved AoE Friendly Damage Reduciton
• Improved Self Health Increase/Heal
• True Damage Knockback
• 3 Steak

These changes will allow the dwarf to excel in its new midfield/support role, while keeping it slightly more balanced in the terms of the game meta.

 

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My main problem with the heart of gold was actually that the enemy needs to be buffed for your heal to actually do anything. The dwarf can't do anything about that, so if the enemy's not buffed this ability is useless.

 

First, glad to offer constructive criticism Dank. Its only fair, seeing as its both the right thing to do, and you offered very constructive criticism on my Trapper class idea. Secondly, I misread your abilities when I first read them, but now that I have a greater understanding of the abilities I have a suggestion for two abilities that both increases the strategy needed to play this class effectively, and the differentiation in the possible battle scenarios for the class.

As kenobi stated above, by activating heart of gold, you are limiting the healing capabilities of the ability to a 2.5 second window, effectively rendering the ability useless. Therefore, i'd recommend the three following changes, along with some new math calculations, to dwarven steel and heart of gold.

1. Change the de-buff from a temporary removal to a permanent removal. This change makes this tool an extremely potent one in the current meta, and it also makes it much easier to code.

2. Move the de-buff from Heart of Gold to Dwarven Steel, changing the Heart of Gold ability's duration and healing potency as necessary.

3. Remove the absorbtion health shield from Dwarven Steel and apply it to Heart of Gold.

These changes make you have to think about which ability you want to use first, and in which scenario.

Do you want to use your Dwarven steel ability to remove the opponents buffs and effectively increase the health of your team, or do you want to let the enemy damage your team so you can heal them for some of the damage that you've taken, while increasing your own health?

Or do you want to combo both abilities together to remove the buffs from the enemy and increase your own health, allowing you to tank for your team longer, but removing the healing potential of your ability?

These changes while they may seem small, will make the gameplay of this class infinitely more exciting and interesting.

On a side note, given the abilities of the class, I'd change its role from mid-ranged support to offense or offensive support. Given the abilities, it's going to be used to attack flag rooms and chokepoints 10 times more often then it will be used as a defensive class. Not that it can't be used on defense, as it would also be strong in that role, but its primary role will be offense.

 

Good job with this! I really like it.

Dwarf has always been a quite boring class especially on maps where the main clashes are in the middle. In the defense it was very strong but too slow to kill an enemy with higher armor such as soldiers, medics and heavys.

For me the debuff idea sounds great in times where it feels like half of all players are chemists.

All in all: A solid work

 

So everyone likes it. Yo @Miskey can you try get this accepted as well as Necro in matches ;D

 

Overall I like the idea. There are a few potential balance issues that I'm not sure about, but I'm sure that could be clarified with some explanation.

What is the true damage on crushing blow?
What are the debuffs on heart of gold?

Note: 30% reduction for a kill on dwarven fury may be a bit much in the current meta, especially on defense. If you kill one person in an offensive wave you're almost guaranteed to have it back up for the next one.

 

Just not the current dwarf tbh, btw love the idea +1 I hope this idea gets some serious consideration