Idea Damage focused Ninja rework

No, way too underpowered. As a ninja main the only thing I think that needs to change is the mobility and this is way too much. Another problem is that it can kill low armour classed such as chemist very easily but that's mainly because of the class.

 

I think Ninja is fine as it is. Ninja's role is recovery and it does it well so why would you want to remove that? All I want to see of Ninja is ghosting to be removed. Other than that Ninja is fine.

 

It does not need all of this, the only thing that needs tweaking is the mobility and that can be done easier. The main issues are ghost capping and the ability to get back to recover really quickly, honestly just think a 4-5 second cooldown would be enough for now.

You don't play in the team scene anymore but ninjas are a key role in recovery, usually if the match is big enough, teams will have a ninja helping offence, defence and midfield. However usually teams will have atleast 1-2 ninjas on defence due to their high damage output and mobility. Ninja has always been a recovery class unless used for ghosting.

If you are wanting to take ninjas main use for defensive play (killing high mobility classes or lower armoured classes), then you are removing it's recovery factor and you just said that you didn't want to do that. When recovering off of a soldier who is out of the flagroom, ninjas are very important and used in most ways, ninjas can kill the support, pick up the flag if an archer headshots and killing the soldier. The only way I can think of is a soldier recovery or an assassin recovery.

 

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Ok, before we even get into this, I've gotta be honest. I don't think ninja is in need of a rework anywhere near as much as other classes around here. The mobility could be considered a problem, yes, but there's much worse to worry about in a regular game (*cough dwarf). With that said, if it's further down the line it's still worth looking at, so I'll do so anyway.

The point of ninja is to do large amounts of damage but have low survivability. Getting a combo with ninja due to the speed 2 isn't actually that difficult and whilst getting 7 means you're probably going to have to take out a couple different weaker armored classes to even get a full bar, it's still not massively difficult when the class is played right. The main issue I see, with the removed fall damage, is there really a reason you're gonna have the heal? It just sounds to me you're making ninja tankier, which isn't what this class is supposed to be about.

Makes the point of enderpearls basically useless. You might get away but you're losing too big a part of ninja mobility in my opinion. Also, whilst this removes premas and ghosting, it just adds a new annoying problem since they can instantly use 3 of these at once and then run for it with speed 2, keep teleporting further and further ahead. They could do this indefinitely too, as they don't take damage with each use. Does stop ghosting and premature pearling, which is a good thing.

Fine I guess. Doesn't make up for the mobility nerf, and you'll probably make ninja more annoying but debatable whether that's intended or not.

Well, with the weakness you're just adding additional time delay on 414ing, which isn't really a problem anymore due to silly powder. Resistance just makes ninja tankier, which is counter-intuitive to how ninja is currently themed. Dust helps fix the mobility nerf, although again I don't think it makes up for it. I don't really get the point of the invisible damage reveal since we can tell when we've hit one anyway due to sound effects. Thematically I do like turrets not being able to target ninjas.​

I guess if it goes through? #MakeMedicGreatAgain

I don't really think this rework gets the theme of ninja down. Some aspects aren't bad, and others nerf ninja in unnecessary ways. I think there are better ways it could be done.

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If you are saying soldier has broken mobility, why are you making a nerf for ninja but not soldier.

 

I really like a lot of the ideas. However, such a ninja revamp would be at the bottom of the to-do list since there's much more important things developer time could be used for. Still, the future is a long time to get stuff done. xP

 

I really like the concept of warping around your enemy for vantage points, however, this could warrant an entirely class since the current ninja gets a lot of strength from long range mobility. This would make recovery even harder than it already is. However, if this were to be an entirely new class, I would enjoy this as I really like the playstyle this offers.

 

I'm going to be honest, I really like this rework. It would be a refreshing change of pace. Note: I am going to get somewhat off topic for a sec, so hold on to your butts. I feel like this, and a number of other spectacular ideas, should just be play tested before out right being rejected (why doesn't brawl just form a team focusing solely on trying out ideas with a dedicated coder or two? Because EULA lol). Perhaps we as a community have forgotten, due to a certain group of op af ninja mains, that ninja really isn't all that powerful, especially by itself. Its concept is basically a glass canon, except now it's just... glass, really. Don't get me wrong, a group of ninjas is intimidating, but so is a group of any other class. I digress, I really like this class idea, as I said before, granted it's not perfect, at least to me, this is all my opinion, not fact. Perhaps lower the enderpearl cooldown, just a little, not much; and reduce the buff to the duration of nausea of the flash bombs.

 

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Since when is soldier not essential?????

 

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Soldier is the main capping class in most maps during matches. Even on valley of ruin, teams sometimes have 1 or 2 soldiers because once your out, it's usually a cap. I wouldn't say soldier is op but I also don't think ninja is op. From what you are saying with the list of green and red things, all ninja really needs is a pearl cooldown or something similar to soldiers wall climb thing rather than all this complicated crap.

 

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Well I mean Ninja is used as recovery, and some people use it to cap on regular play, but that can be so easily stopped by another ninja. I dislike the thought of removing the ender pearls because that makes it so on a map with no sponges, if a class closes a distance well enough, the ninja would only have one or two, maybe three chances of recovery, and the rest of the classes having one, possibly two. If you wanted to buff the damage by a lot, and kill the mobility, it will become offensive support, and maybe midfield on a smaller map, but no longer can it get from place to place easier. Lets be honest, on maps with lots of trees and terrain, soldier will just wall climb, archers can get distracted, and the only class to really help with that a whole lot would be soldier, and those can be out ran, out maneuvered or even just simply out sped with chemist buffs. Ninja is really op with teleportation, but every class has an op. Archer/Assassin insta, Pyro frenzy (was insta), Medic can heal (and big health pool), chemist pots (and health pool), ninja teleport, soldier wall climb, dwarf with being tanks and dishing out good damage, necro turning a 1v1 into a 1v5, engineer for being its own class, elf for flying, fire removal, and a root, mage for doing 3-4 hearts per damage spell with almost 0 CD. You get the point. Good effort tho