Wiki Team Members

i know right i agree its brawls worst move

 

u w0t m8?

 

I disagree with Lord_Roke's post. Every single player represents Brawl as a Brawler.

On the other hand, I agree that semi-staff passed through an application phase (whether it's for the media/wiki/build team). Upon getting accepted, he/she is considered active, mature, helpful and constructive and as well has special knowledge regarding his/her position.

Not everyone can post on staff applications. I personally believe this is to prevent specific, immature members post irrelevant things on serious threads such as the application ones.

However, there are exceptions, such as the Builder applications which are open for everyone to reply. I believe Sheriff applications should as well be open for everyone.

 

You're going to have to give more reason than that, because I can promise you that munson is respected by his peers, as is minesheep and many other wiki team members. Also, what makes us unable to have permission to act like actual staff? There was a discussion about us being able to respond to staff applications and Lord_Roke himself, head of the forums and wiki team, said we had permission. Seeing as he's the head of both sections, who is more qualified to give us permission than him?

 

I totally agree so many people on the wiki team are immature and biased when it comes to staff apps.
When I am think about voting on a staff app there are 3 major things I take into consideration.

1. My opinion and experience with the person in question.
2. The application itself.
3. What people who have permission to post on the staff app say about the person in question.

Most of the time I just read what the actual mods have to say and completely ignore the wiki team and jmods. Who is better to judge a mod app then actual full fledged mods who know what it takes to be in that position. Now we have a bunch of people who have no idea what is to be a mod commenting on staff apps pretending like they know what it takes. I don't want to bring up names but there are people who obviously have no idea about being a mod but have permission to comments on apps. Anyways I agree I think mods and anybody ranked higher than them should be able to comment on staff applications.

 

If I ever will have the chance to reply to a staff application before I reach a conclusion for a vote the main things I would consider are:

• Take into consideration all the possible information found in the application.
• Bring up information from personal experience with the individual.

Well, pretty much, these are thew main two things I value as the most important.
Personally, I wouldn't criticize a person in depth I don't know well. I will only criticize basing on information I read.

 

But you still haven't given any legitimate reason as to why you think wiki team members shouldn't be able to comment. What I've gotten from your statement is that you don't think they should have a say in who gets staff because they themselves are not staff. Your logic works against you as well, though, because you are voting on people's apps as well.

I'm also seeing that you believe jmods should not have a say as well. They were accepted as staff members, though, and are every bit as ready as the next person to know who else should be staff. You make it sound like it's some difficult decision-making, but we all know those that are applying are either fit for the position or not. Those that others are conflicted on should have many people discussing the pros and cons of them being staff.

Discussion is key here and let's be honest: most staff members do not reply to staff applications anyway. It's important to be discussing applicants that we as staff or semi-staff are unsure about.

 

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If this was true, outside of your opinion, the wiki/build/media team's ability to comment on staff apps would have been revoked long ago.

They, or I should say "we", are staff members, some of whom are former mods/jmods @_featherpaw_ who know precisely "what it takes".

That said, since when did you have to have mod/jmod experience to evaluate an application and an applicant on their merits? I mean, that is what we're doing here right? If I tell someone that they don't meet the requirements for forum activity, and they get hostile perhaps they don't have the temperament to have /kick, /mute, and /ban. I do not need to be a mod to be able to judge someone's personality and I certainly don't need one to be a good judge of whether or not they meet the requirements for forums activity.

Personally, I have been told by multiple staff members - yes, the mods you keep talking about - that I give good feedback. It seems to me that would suggest that wiki/build/media team members can make meaningful contributions while not being mods.

What do I mean by meaningful contributions? I mean posts longer than 1-2 sentences long, which tends to be the most feedback a lot of mods will give. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the mods, they're brilliant. I only bring this up because feedback like this:



is nice, but not particularly "in-depth". I have seen nothing but improvement in this area since wiki/build/media team members were allowed to comment on staff applications. I can remember multiple times where mods would give a +1 to an applicant when they had, for instance, no posts in the section they were applying to moderate. A wiki team member pointed it out and the app got denied. The moral of that story isn't that "oh thank god this unqualified applicant got denied" it's that more detailed feedback helps applicants to improve and, the next time they apply, be far better applicants than before.

That is what happened with @Chilled_67's, @JayOG's and @AmbitionZ_'s applications.

Speaking of which, if we extend your logic a bit further we might as well have no one able to evaluate staff applications except current jmod+. We don't have that because community opinion of staff matters because it gives an indicator of an applicants standing in the community and, as such, does the opinion of the wiki, build, and media team (all of whom had to go through an application process).

You shouldn't be able to vote on staff apps because you have "no idea what is to be a mod" on Brawl. See? No former staff tag.

That's your logic.

I don't want to burst your bubble but there are people who obviously have no idea about being mod but have permission to post comments on an applicant's profile and can vote +1/-1 in the application poll.

Some profile posts about my feedback (not intended as a brag, only as an example):

 

this has turned into another wiki team debate

 

And here comes an irrelevant post. But yes. Well-agreed.

It's better we express our opinions than keeping them secret (unless for a good reason) even through such debates.

 

that post was also irrelevant, i was just stating a FACT.

 

I feel as if Wiki Members are being mis-understood.
After all, they get a nice forums tag (I want :C ), and they can edit the wiki, and reply to staff apps.
And what do they have to do?
Some Wiki members do a lot of work, and guess what? Like staff members, they have to actually apply and go through the usual processes of discussion inside the already-existing wiki team.
The thing is, they have to behave like staff members but get far fewer priviliges.9

 

I may be voting on the application but I am not discussing the applicant because obviously I don't have permission. My point (which you obviously missed) was that a comment on a staff app is a lot more influential than a simple vote and sometimes jmods and in my opinion most the time the wiki team post things that are completely unnecessary. Most the time they don't even have important things to say or add and are usually pretty biased compared full fledged mods.

 

Love how half of the people without wikiteam rank are salty that they can't post on applications XD

 

Well that post was super irrelevant. My point isn't that everyone should be able to post only mods and anybody higher than mods. I don't see any randoms being salty about not being able to post on staff apps, do you?

 

no!!! stop!!!!!!
i want to see @SquishyCalvin destroy apps

 

Such as...?

You're trash talking wiki/build/media team's feedback on staff apps yet giving no examples. I respect your opinion but I wouldn't mind hearing you back it up.

I was and am for the entire community being able to comment on staff apps. Mods moderate the community so the community should have an equal say in who those moderators are. Unfortunately I don't have a say in that decision and that's how it is.

Mods are immune to bias?

 

You take everything I say and take way out of proportion. Kinda reminds me of the way you act on staff apps. I've said what I wanted to say in this thread and that's just my opinion. I think this isn't even really an issue to be honest but since someone made a thread about it I figured I'd state my opinion.

 

When did I take it out of proportion? Here is what you said in your post:

You use this logic to suggest that wiki/build/media team members should not be able to comment on staff apps. If wiki team shouldn't be able to comment on apps, why should they be able to vote either? Clearly, they have no idea what they're doing. And what about the community at large? How many people in the community have been former staff and therefore "know what they're talking about"? Not many.

Maybe they shouldn't be allowed a comment, let alone a vote either.

I'm simply extending your logic. Hardly an exaggeration.

That's your opinion. Am I strict on apps? Yes. Why should I vote for anyone who doesn't meet the requirements? As I have previously mentioned, staff have voted +1 on apps where the applicant has no posts in the section they are applying for without a second word. Not attacking staff, but I see nothing wrong with someone else pointing that out even if they "don't know what it takes".

Speaking of not knowing "what it takes" to be mod I'll tell you what it takes: activity on the forums, activity in game, activity on TS (when necessary), and maturity. You do not need to be former mod+ to judge someone on merit and make a quality contribution that way. Being former or current mod+ is a big help because, as you said, they have the inside view of what the position is really like. But that does not mean they are the only people qualified to offer feedback, which is why we have the poll, why we allow wiki/build/media team members to comment, and why people like yourself are allowed to make profile comments.

Yes you do think this is an issue because you 1) attacked wiki/build/media team feedback as, essentially, useless and a distraction and 2) continued the argument you kickstarted after me and feather replied. If you did not think this was an issue you would not have replied.