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Ninja Cap Counter Idea

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Dragoarg, Jul 9, 2017.

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  1. Dragoarg

    Dragoarg Well-Known Member

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    Hello everyone, I have two ideas that I thought of that could be helpful. On the flip side they may be idiotic or someone else may have already suggested this, but here it goes.

    Earth Element cancels ninja pearl. This is to help ninja defense be countered and to help (yes, what a meme) elf defense be a little stronger. Basically when elf hits an earth element onto a ninja, the ninja can not throw a pearl while they are under the effect, and any pearls in the air are cancelled.

    Ninja death stops flag traveling. In my experience here have been times I have hit a ninja capper once or twice, but their pearl gets off last second, yet they die, but the flag is where the pearl landed. Instead if the flag carrying ninja is killed by pearl damage, the two hearts, the flag remains in the same place. Not sure if this is doable, but it may be fun to play around with.

    This is to nerf ninja capping in both regular games and matches. So maybe people will allow ninja capping once again.

    Please don't just say "ninja capping wouldn't be a problem if you had defense", I agree with that but there will always be a handful of times on a handful of maps that ninja capping is hard to play against.
     
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    #1 Dragoarg, Jul 9, 2017
  2. RaZeragon

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    The part with the flag landing where the ninja pearled from is definitely an interesting idea and one I would love to test. For Earth Element, the dirt blocks already block pearls.
     
    #2 RaZeragon, Jul 9, 2017
  3. Salty_Ivan

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    hi sir
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    ok
    just remove ninja smh
    ppl dont limit it in matches so its pretty **** right

    either way ppl can elf cap on tbf ezpz like i did in ur prac
    u shud blame ur team before u blame the game k thx
     
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    #3 Salty_Ivan, Jul 9, 2017
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    Could the ninja lose the ability to use the Pearl while he has the flag?
     
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  6. Colorr

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    What the heck we want to nerf ninja capping not remove it.
     
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    I have to disagree because ninja capping is good
     
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  8. SoCool21

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    Ninja capping isn't even OP - you just need to hit them 2-3 times in the 1.5 seconds they're visible in order to stop them. However this means you need to be staring at the flag post constantly, which is why a lot of people want it to change.

    This change wouldn't really do anything to solve this issue. The elf would still need to be staring at the flag post in order to stop the ninja.

    Agreed with this. A lot of the time I get out of the flagroom very low, but I pearl close to base and respawn, pick up the flag, and get an easy capture. This'll allow other ninjas to catch up much more easily, which is nice.
     
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  9. TheZombieKat

    TheZombieKat CTFer since May 2012

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    Huge +1 from me. I'd like to test and see how much this would affect gameplay, especially competitive play.
     
    #9 TheZombieKat, Jul 10, 2017
  10. minecraftnoob999

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    Oh, this thread again.

    Many of those idea's have already been suggested, but it doesn't hurt to have a different view on them.

    And so what is a Ninja to do when they are attempting to escape an Elf when they are nowhere near the flag room? Bad idea, do not like it. The earth element is debilitating enough as it is for ninjas and classes with low armor.

    Items being dropped where a pearl lands upon death is a unique to Minecraft itself. This would probably require some advanced coding if it's even possible. (Which, I doubt.)

    I've been on CTF since very late 2011-2012 ish. I have never heard an instance where ninja capping is allowed during a match. As far as in regular games, it's quite nerfed enough, especially with a pryo or another ninja watching the flag. Not to mention the removal of the 10 pearls and sharpness 6 sword.

    The keyword is handfull. If you have proper defense most of the time you won't have to worry about a ninja capper. Yes, there are instances where a ninja can slip through, but slim at best and they are usually way to badly damaged to make it back to their flag room.

    No.
     
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    #10 minecraftnoob999, Jul 10, 2017
  11. RaZeragon

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    The 2015 CTF Teams Tourney allowed ghost capping, and ghost / premature pearling was very common in official matches from 2014-2016 when the meta shifted to restricting ninja caps.

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    As some proof, in our tourney match vs BK, 3 out of the 4 caps they had were ninja caps (thanks to ParkourMaster and Purest_Talents)
     
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  13. minecraftnoob999

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    I should rephrase what I said then because I was not on teams until way after.
     
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  14. ring0ff1re

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    Interesting idea, but wouldn't this require the elf to constantly spam earth at the flag? I'm not against this idea, but I don't think it would be super effective
     
    #14 ring0ff1re, Jul 17, 2017
  15. Dragoarg

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    For clarification of all, the elf idea was not to be some game breaking idea, just a simple thing that if you manage to actually hit a ninja as elf, you stop them from capturing the flag pretty much. It's not so that everyone plays elf and just sits and spams earth, it's a low percentage high reward counter.
    @ring0ff1re @Insularum @SoCool21
     
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    I would remove if a ninja already pearled and then the elf uses the element.
    To the rest id agree +1
     
    #16 Rejeqted, Jul 21, 2017
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