Complete Ravine Ruins

hello i am november and i remade a map with some friends that i made quite a while ago. the original is called river ruins and you can look at the original to see the kinds of changes we made. https://www.brawl.com/threads/42678/

map id: 242151

people who helped:
@puhdgy @xAsh @xShadowLuna @Forums @Removers @Versions @lauten @Aykaka

the map should be configed properly unless i messed something up. engi is fairlyheavily restricted, mainly around spawn/flag and in the ravine, everywhere else is open for structures to be placed. we are unsure if it should be a 3 or 5 cap map, would like some feedback on that

screenies:

 

ty for response

yes i understand what you are saying about the mobility. i was weary when making this flag room because if you compare it to one of my old maps, lighthouse v5, you can see the flag design is reasonably similar. difference between this map and that map is that lighthouse has good mobility in and out of the flag room for every class and that made it very easy to defend and as a result lighthouse was really difficult to cap on. because of that i wasnt too keen on making a flag room thats close to the spawn and also has lots of mobility and is easy defend. in a way i tihnk it helps that mobility isnt that great because otherwise you get a map with a flag room like lighthouse

we talked about water a bit too and people who saw it while we were building it mentioned that too but i am also reluctant to add it because it also provides a camping spot for flag carriers. plus i think pyro is a weak class anyway and i personally think adding water to flag rooms is unnecessary

spawn is another thing we talked about a lot. we changed it 3 times while making it and i agree with what you are saying. originally spawn was fully exposed like on the original map. we then changed it so it was in a cave but you could basically shoot down the spawn cave from anywhere at mid. the current spawn is the best we could really come up with. its set back to avoid direct spawn shooting and the exit leads off to the side towards the teams flag, meaning if anyone were to try and spawn shoot they would have to be doing it from the other teams flag which is a difficult position to do it from.

also the flowers are meant to be hanging from the ceiling lol

 

thanks for the response

i did not think of adding a directional path to be honest. i would say the main path is probably the ravine, it leads straight to the enemy flag but if enough people think it isnt obvious enough we can change some things

i agree on the engi point, we talked about that. the reason we didnt restrict the top area of the ravine is because we felt it was probablyyy a bit too much restriction. if we added that restriction then the only place you can put turrets is on the hills, right at mid or right on the edge of the map and they are areas no one really goes so we decided to leave the that area unrestricted

uni also brought up the point of low flag room mobility however it was more on the contrary to your point. he was saying that it favours offense more due to low mobility for pyros/assassins, whereas you are saying it favours the defense more due to low mobility for offense classes that arent ninja/soldier. i think all things considered the mobility is just low for every class apart from ninja/soldier. with this in mind i dont think it is too much of an issue but we could open up the stairs a bit more to try and avoid bottlenecks

i understand your point on ninja capping, its a small map so of course there is strong potential for it. i think the close proximity of spawn certainly helps with this because recovery ninjas can get to the flag quickly and across the map quickly to stop enemy ninja cappers. plus you would take 2-4 hearts of damage depending which way you went out of the flag room. i agree ninja capping is a thing on here but i think i wont be too much of an issue mainly because of the proximity of spawn and that the map is small in itself so its likely there will be people at the other flag anyway

 

MAP UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i havent rotated these changes to the other side because i want to know what people think of them first so pls give feedback
ty to @Roll0fSushi for help

flag room changes:



small update outside of flag room (added slabs):

 

good idea unicow, i have done that. i am keeping the slabs tho because they were brought up as a change by quite a few people