False Bans Are A Serious Problem

It "invades privacy"

 

I mean sure, you can say the individual staff members did nothing wrong, but when a tiny portion of the staff team false banned/bans people that’s when you got an issue. There has to be someone to blame.

https://www.brawl.com/threads/71454/#post-909357

 

Canoodle has been away for almost 8 months, if you have a problem with your bans you make an appeal, if its denied and want to look more into it, you can possibly take it up with an SMod. They'll try to resolve your situation, but the original ban source (person who banned you) knows best about the ban so it's limited to what they can do. (SMods) Also it's not rare for good players to be banned on ANY server. Take it up with famous YouTube players who have been either frozen or banned on spot while alting. GloryBlade made a whole series about it. That didn't mean their staff team was bad, it meant that misjudgements happen. Dude I've been false banned before becoming staff for Killaura, AutoSneak (The glitch with ToggleSprint), and "Speed" which was the craziest one. I know how it feels, but I still didn't come ranting about how the staff did this and that. I get it, it could be frustrating. But thats why we have the appeal system to take care of bans like that.

 

All bans and videos on the thread are being reviewed. There should be a conclusion soon.

 

The last part is the most frustrating part to understand. So rather than fixing the source of the problem, the ideal way, for the server, is to undo the mistake (in context of the situation “so rather than fix staff team, not necessarily by demotion, the way to fix it is by undoing whatever was wrong.)... Ehhh, it’s just a lot more effort, for something that shouldn’t even be happening, like at all.

Also in GloryBlade’s case the server received hate, which could happen right here if rhe server gets recognized as a falsebanning server. (This isn’t a threat, it’s a possiblity that could happen under the current circumstances.)

Also it’s not ranting.

 

I mean you false banned me for some bull**** but I got over it because it looked semi fishy in the video, but imo you should be 100% (without doubts) before you ban people.

 

Multiple staff members said you took antikb. Almost everybody that I asked said you took AntiKB, except for the people you were with. This isn't about your falsebans although most likely wasn't false.

 

So basically, here is your translation @Evan19119
You have no chance of being unbanned, but we are going to give you some hope and pretend we are looking into it! I may even have an smod post something on the thread to show they care! (that way in 5 months they can respond to you again from your appeals and tell you, oh just finish waiting the 6 month perm ban out its not that long)

I would like to make a couple corrections to this response @JAYGT . SMODs actually have no limit to what they can do regarding the ban that another MOD has made, they have the ability to overturn any ban made by a moderator. The issue is that they never actually like you know, respond to these situations.

Just gunna ask (pointlessly) why you aren't reviewing gangthat's ban video but you are reviewing these... Seems a little strange and biased towards the CTF community, as far as I am aware you aren't even the CTF SMOD and a GLOBAL SMOD for a reason, but that's ok, I forgot... "Warz is a shadowy place, we don't go there!"

 

I reviewed GANGTHAT's ban because I took over the situation, Miskey wasn't aware of the ban at the time and he wasn't involved. He got directly tagged on here and the person who made this thread got in contact with him. Most bans that happen on WarZ are generally reviewed by our WarZ team, people like me, Carsonn, Tortugas are primary examples of the people who generally take control of the situations on there.

 

YES!!

 

lol
This thread loses a bit of its legitimacy coming from you, js.
Sure, it's inevitable that staff are going to make some misjudgments, but the amount of correct judgments more than acceptably exceeds that fault.

With enough evidence to disprove any previously collected evidence to declare a false ban, then staff live and learn.
Otherwise, you've got to suck it up and from there on out prove that you are legit (through recordings, irl mouse cams, screenshares done by other ppl on other servers, etc, whatever).

 

Put comma here: ...never actually[comma] like you know, respond...

grammer poelice.

also so Roke don't snipe off topic post: interesting stuff here

 

Then why would you state that only an smod has power to deal with the situation, but then proceed to ignore all the smods and basically keep the ban a secret from smods? Most people would think if you believed what you said previously that only bringing the ban to an smod would help it, then you would have at the very least brought the ban and the appeals to their attention, no? Perhaps you consider yourself above the mod rank, but your purple tag states otherwise. A standard protocol would seem to be unspoken that you would forward this type of a situation and ban appeal to an smod.

Just a reminder that there have been ZERO smods to review the ban I'm talking about.

Thank you for your notable contributions to the conversation, for helping us out more than any of us could have ever asked, and showing why you are an extremely valuable addition to Brawl's staff team.
Its ok everyone, this is how one of our trust worthy mods are reviewing ban appeals
"its minecraft get over it"

The issue is that they never actually declare a "false ban" look through the punishment history and you will find that there has been not one person who was un-banned with the reason being "false ban" in over a year. The amount of "correct" judgements would be drastically different if false bans were actually brought to the attention of smods and not hidden by the mods who refuse to admit to a single mistake.

Have you ever contributed something besides a rating farm to a conversation that people consider serious? Oh wait, I saw the anwer to this question earlier, you admitted to doing so in an earlier thread. RIP.

 

@LeDoener @Gowrbehmunk @Wingurr @Trenny

 

@Meepism mods bring up such bans with each other (unless it's not a regular...then you're more out of luck), so I've never seen any problem of a ban remaining "hidden". There's always discussion from both sides.

 

issa joke, and ofc im rating farming :V

 

uh huh, I think we will simply have to take your word on that instead of ignoring the 0 bans that have been labeled "false" in god knows how long.

Yep, totally not biased in the appeal system.
Situation-
MOD training a JMOD:
Oh, you see that guy over there? He's got a steve skin and he's way to good at the game... damnit he killed me.
*BAN HAMMER INCOMING*
JMOD points out blatant lifetime elite player hitting someone from 7 blocks away...
MOD responds by saying "naw he's a regular "

 

Evan is still a random so that is why he was banned 8 times and if he was a regular he wouldn't be banned so my tip is to not be a random.

 

You're getting ahead of yourself, and making remarks at this point that AREN'T true at all. No ban is ever hidden, all bans are public and all staff members know who the punisher is. GANGTHAT's ban was never hidden, SMods clearly didn't get involved in that situation, although they KNEW about it. It was brought up in Slack, I don't know if you knew that or not with the amount of leaking thats been done. At this point, calling out staff members won't help you or this case. Lets start of with the first person you asked why they don't review other gamemode bans. @Miskey DOES deal with all bans. I have had him in TeamSpeak resolving stuff with permbanned players, VARIOUS times. Miskey isn't always available, so he wasn't involved in your said situation. Also you're claiming me to think myself above my MOD rank simply because the WarZ staff team decided to handle the ban instead of an SMod..? That doesn't seem logical at all. Also you are wrong, some SMods did look at the video, and they did have an opinion on it, but it was clearly said that the situation was being taken care of, so they didn't step in. Once again, most of your claims about certain staff members have no reasoning behind it. Aswell as your player example on how MODS possibly talk to JMods about bans. There are VARIOUS unknown regular players on CTF, Kit Brawl, and Raid that have some ranks but aren't know through out. Some of these individuals decide to hack (AutoClick, Blatant reach) They aren't given the benefit of the doubt because they have a rank. All players are judged equally, well, are supposed too. There are a lot of occasions where this is the case, but then again there isn't, so I can get what you are saying there.

 

Two things regarding this:
One, I am quite concerned that smods thought to get involved with this, but not gangthats ban, further proving a bias.
Two, more than one ex staff member disagrees with you.

He seems to point that bans can be, indeed, hidden.
Now on to your next points

So you are are actually going to try and tell me he was unavailable from 9am est - 11 pm est for over a week and a half? Yeah, considering he has one of the highest activities of staff members, that is not true, don't even argue that.

About "certain" staff members? I believe I have not made any claims about specific staff members besides you and miskey. I see no reason for you to respond to a question geared at an SMOD and that quite clearly has a quote from Miskey on it. He can respond to it himself.
I do not believe that you consider yourself above the MOD rank, however, the fact that it took my questioning this to get a response that yes, it was reviewed by smods, is interesting.
Why have we not had a response from an smod on the matter?
I don't believe that if it were one warz staff, or the entire warz staff team it could change that fact that none of you are smods. It is irrelevant as to how many mods you supposedly had look at it.
Btw just a side note here, considering the fact that you and multiple other mods complain consistently about the issues of never getting responses from other staff on slack regarding videos and warz ideas should be mentioned here as further evidence that they may not have all reviewed it.
If you think that I have "no reasoning behind it" then you clearly have not read anything posted by the community on this thread or in my previous posts. There is more than enough evidence and reasoning in these posts to prove it many times over. However, you seem to deal in absolutes using words such as "always" "all" and "never" which are very dangerous words to use in a debate. Here is some advice, don't use those words because they generally are proven wrong quite easily.
I see no evidence from you to back up anything you have said, but there is endless evidence supporting what I have said.
"no reasoning"
sure.