False Bans Are A Serious Problem

works for 88% of the ppl, if not more if u know what ur doing

 

I do, and not everybody does it. scrensharing players will more than likely get more than 75% of hackers banned. the people that conceal **** could get banned by having mods watch the suspicious players, which only one or two mods do at the moment. the rest of them ignore reports, so what do you suggest we do instead of implementing screenshare?

 

Eh, this screensharing discussion just isn't going to stop, but Putty has made it clear - in most parts of the world you will be violating privacy laws if you take control of the SS.
This also means that you can't really let them do it as you are in a way forcing them to cooperate (viewpoint thing tho).

 

off topic, but I'd say Brawl's player base is probably mostly 9-12 year olds. especially in Party and Minecraftbuid (which are the two biggest Brawl servers), though WarZ is probably ranging in 15-16 year old range from what i can judge/what u said

 

every time screensharing convo comes up it goes something like this:

-staff are not competent enough to ban ghost clienters (true depending on the staff member)
-even staff who are competent enough to detect/ban ghost clienters take days/weeks to gather enough evidence to administer a ban
-screenshare procedure is necessary so staff will be able to detect and ban actual cheaters much more accurately & efficiently
-thread eventually gets locked because it isn't going to happen

tbh I don't agree with screensharing. Privacy is one thing, although if you are hacking on a minecraft server, thereby disrupting the experience for other players on that server (which is the minecraft equivalent of being a disruptive customer in a coffee shop - that is, Brawl is a business) you've arguably forfeited your right to privacy. If not the privacy argument then what?

staff member could freeze someone, who isn't hacking but may seem "suspicious", that person gets freaked out because they're young and naive or whatever, they disconnect and get banned. Want to get un-banned? Make an appeal! Except, oh wait, the appeals system is deeply flawed because there is no way to prove that you weren't hacking after the fact in 500-5,000 characters.

other variations of this: internet disconnects, minecraft crashes, your computer overheats and crashes, mom walks into the room etc.

you could probably send staff your computer logs if it crashes (same with minecraft) but that's beside the point. The question is always going to be "why did this happen the moment you were freezed in game?" and I don't think its fair to be putting people who may be completely legit on the spot like that - especially when many of those people may be very young and have no idea what's going on

a suggestion that's been brought up in the past is to have all screenshares recorded and stored somewhere. Fine - as long as its the entire screenshare. But it is easily possible for a staff member to abuse the screenshare and then edit the video to make it seem like nothing was tampered with. That doesn't have to do with privacy as much as it has to do with security imo

furthermore if whoever is ghost clienting isn't an idiot they will probably use one of the various methods on windows 10/mac/ubuntu to hide their clients. Self destructing clients can be traced but depending on what the user is doing the staff member may have to look outside .minecraft to find evidence [1]

other clients may also be on someone's computer which they may not have been using. Unless the staff member knows for certain they were not using those clients (ZeroDay vs. Vape) before freezing that puts the user at further risk for a falseban

biggest reason I'm not a fan of screenshare is that I don't like the idea of autobanning people who refuse to screenshare. There could be a million reasons why someone doesn't follow through and for all we know its because they're 14 years old and are playing on their parents computer as a user. I can see it now, "Mom, can I install Join.me so @SoCool21 can check for hacked clients on your computer for 15-30 minutes?" how many parents do you think would be OK with that?

i don't think there's any disputing that screen-sharing would allow brawl to catch more hackers. but I just don't think its as efficient as it's made out to be, or worth it

 

Considering that I once found a client hidden in a music file, some as resource packs, and some even as legit mods with the same proper size as the normal mod (only found the fact that it was a cheat after I discovered that the page that he'd "downloaded" the mod from actually had a different file origin date than his, he then admitted xd), this would honestly be the least common answer. Most would just inject their client using a USB or something.

 

ban system is booty https://www.brawl.com/threads/71454/

 

I was actually against screensharing because I've been through that, it's kinda annoying. But now I've completely changed my mind. I was banned for "aimbot/reach". Obviously I wasn't lol. So I got on a friends account and recorded the gameplay and after 10 mins I got banned for forcefield . This wouldn't have happened if they had just screenshared me. Would've saved me the trouble of appealing, making vid, uploading and would save brawl the trouble of getting accused of false bans and stuff. 2 accounts falsely banned within an hour.

Here's vid of me getting banned for forcefield. Read desc. as well

Gonna re upload cuz wrong format

 

I know. But they can't possibly think that that's the only way you can find out if someone's cheating or not lol

 

well how else can they lol!!

 

cant argue with that dam

 

hello, i heard falseban? fake news! this staffteam is one of the trustworthy i ever communicated. They reply fast, ban you for the right reason and looking in cases neutral with any prejudices. Cant understand why this thread exist?

 

You literally hit a zombie with like 34 cps and players with 18+