How I was banned / The State of the Staff Team

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a beautiful island with a troubled history

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Danny got banned I don't think he wrote a whole essay trying people to convince he was legit. And guess what, he is unbanned. Nothing is going to change. You are banned. Appeal when you can and let staff reconsider then.

 

Cow my guy, insulting others isn't helping your point. Best way to go is to let it rest and to re-appeal as soon as you can. The decision has been made, some points have been brought up, the only thing that's happening right now is you yelling at other people and them yelling back at you. I value our friendship and respect you as a person, but this is not what I knew you like. Don't discard the reputation as a nice guy and a friend by doing this.
Report the thread, have it locked, avoid further consequences (such as a forum ban for off-topic insulting/flame)

Apart from that, I have no say in this matter.

 

just take the L and move on in life my friend

 

I mean, you're somewhat right but there is many more things that go on.

MinemenClub screensharing is flawed, they use an SS Tool that Vape v3 can bypass because it is extremely outdated, then they just let you go.

AnyDesk is the tool that lets the staff member onto your computer for control so yes you are correct there. Luyten (aka Java Decompiler) is a tool that decompiles .jar's. This is used to just decompile Forge Mods in an attempt to find any form of cheats that can be coded into the mod itself. You don't really need staff members who know Java, you just need staff members who have common sense to do it.

Process Hacker is not just used to see what processes are running, it is far more complicated than that. It hacks processes where you can then search for certain strings that can give away a certain client that they are using (just a basic explanation, I'm not going to explain everything in detail).

These are nearly not the only things that are used in a screenshare though, things like Powershell, Last Activity Viewer, Paladin, Search Everything, Regedit, and many more I am not able to talk about is what really goes on in a screensharing.


Screensharing is not easy to learn, it takes a few months to be good enough to not be bypassed in an SS. Screensharing for this reason is hard because you always want to make sure if the player you are screensharing is really cheating, then you find the cheats without them bypassing you.

 

The other thing too about screensharing is that the more knowledge that gets shared publicly about what happens during a screenshare, the easier it is for client developers to implement bypasses and come up with new ways to hide the client

 

Back in 2016 it took a single screenshare for a German cheat developer to completely recode his client into a different mod entirely within 2 days lole

 

Let's give a player with 100ms speed 2, invisibility, and eggs! I'm sure none of the clips will look sketchy.

So many ninjas get hackusated in this community just because of the class itself being busted and built for combos and weird stuff. Sure, some of the clips are sketchy, but when you slow Minecraft down enough, anyone can look sketchy. Equally, some of the clips here are absolutely laughable and should not be considered valid evidence for a permanent ban. I don't think third person clips are enough to ban in marginal cases such as this. Cow plays (played, jk) a hell of a lof of CTF - if people watch him for long enough, of course there will be some weird hits.

I've purposefully left out my opinions on Cow as there'd clearly be personal bias at play. My point is, under no circumstances should this be considered valid evidence. If this is the precedent Brawl is setting for banning players then it's an extremely low bar and anyone else who's decent (or even just an EU ninja main) should be worried - it only takes a witchhunt to get you banned!

 

Yes yes yes long reply. How about you reply to the fair thoughts being raised about the legitimacy of the clips the man was banned for?

>makes ludicrously long post about protocol
>completely ignores and skips over the many times his judgement on a player's ban was called into question after banning said player for "being confident he was cheating"

Did Uni beat the staff team in a Staff vs Player match and carry or something come on

 

Your statement in it self admits uncertainty and not only do you state you are uncertain, you admit that you wish you weren't. Fun fact. I've served as a juror on a couple of trials through the juror selection process. The statements and paper work say evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. They then go on to explain reasonable doubt to the prospective juror candidates on three different occasions. In my opinion, regardless of what other evidence we've seen so far, @LeUniCow 's ban should be overturned on your statement alone.

"Reasonable doubt is a standard of proof used in criminal trials. When a criminal defendant is prosecuted, the prosecutor must prove the defendant's guilt Beyond a Reasonable Doubt. If the jury—or the judge in a bench trial—has a reasonable doubt as to the defendant's guilt, the jury or judge should pronounce the defendant not guilty."

Clearly you still have some doubt.

@BlueGuyARed hits the nail on the head.

 

Obviously, yes. That is why when staff team's have their guides it is heavily secured as well as the user being screenshared is permitted from recording at all. Obvious information.

 

I don't think this should have the same standard of proof as a criminal trial. Cow's not being sent to prison or sentenced to capital punishment for hacking on minecraft... If anything, the standard should be the balance of probabilities commonly used in civil law (e.g. lawsuits), which is met "if the proposition is more likely to be true than not true."

 

I got banned today too. For 'Autoclicking'. First of all, I don't even know how to install hacks or which hacks do what in MC. It's just so frstrating that people can be flying around and NOT get banned but we get accused of things we don't even do and get permbanned.

THE ADMINS ARE UNFAIR.

 

No, Process Hacker is not a way around self destructs. It just depends on the client and the intelligence of the staff member, and I can't bother going in-depth because no one here will understand.

Simple answer is yes and no

 

Comparing a ban on a minecraft server to going to prison in actual, real life is seriously next level hilarity. Actually calm down

So this is kind of funny, I googled "implement screenshare protocol minecraft" and most of the results were like years of threads posted on Brawl. Anyway on a thread from literally 2016 I found this quote from Ritzy

To put that in mathematical terms, 18/20 or 90% of the time when screenshared, hacked clients were found. That's not a huge sample size but it does seem pretty indicative of the effectiveness of screensharing. Ritzy also goes on to say:

This post was made 4 years ago.

There's also this.

I'm not really sure what the argument is against screenshares here. The privacy argument is bogus on it's own and the only somewhat good arguments against it have been 1) banned for existing but not in-use clients on your computer and 2) abuse of revealed personal information by staff members that are screensharing. It's a completely valid point, and somewhat frightening point, that it's impossible to detect some ghost clients or will become impossible or almost impossible to detect them sooner or later. Or if not impossible, increasingly difficult. But that wasn't the case four years ago and I'm assuming not the case right now per private screenshare tools such as Paladin or SafeShare.

From what I read about their payment plans SafeShare offers an $8/month deal that covers 'entire staff team' versus with Paladin, which I think is what Hypixel uses, it's a yearly payment that varies depending on how many people are using it. Correct me if I'm misunderstanding, but this doesn't seem expensive and I'm wondering how would this be outside Brawl's budget? Or is the cost just considered too high for the potential benefit? Ghost clients can have self destructs, yes, but if something makes detecting those clients easier and getting more hackers banned isn't that a good thing? And how is this reconciled with Ritzy or Jager's comments claiming that screenshare has been very effective in tracking down actual hackers?

Also this cost-benefit is why I'm assuming people like Tom spend a lot of time attempting to collect evidence and identify 'sketchy' hits etc. that would indicate the existence of a client. Of course this isn't going to be 100% accurate and it's a ridiculous standard to hold anyone to. As TTD and Tom have said ghost clients only modestly increase performance or whatever so like yeah, that's kind of the whole f*ckin' point of the client - to give you a small but noticeable edge to cheat at the game. Like of course it's going to be hard to find especially without an SS protocol.

With that in mind the hyperventilating of bias or whatever is just wrong and really unfair criticism for what really does not sound like an easy or straightforward process of ghost client detection.

 

I've been contemplating sharing my own perspective on "The Trial of UniCow" but what TTD has said here is stupidly accurate. As one of the possible worst laggers on the server (the title really goes to Auromelt, the true champion of the people) there are times where you simply lag out a heap and manage to get some stupidly sketch hits. On one occasion I managed to hit someone as medic when they were like 15 blocks away cause I lagged so hard but their player model was right in front of me (#Straya). I'm sure if A. I was better at the game and B. Someone specced me all the time, some of my gameplay would look similar to what's happening with Cow (I even got to feature in one of his ban clips ). I'm not giving an actual yes or no to whether Cow was/is hacking though, that's for people who are much more experienced than I to determine.
I definitely think lag is a massive factor for anyone with slightly **** ping and how they look to other players, however, I will say SOME of the clips have stuff in them that even I couldn't do with 3x the ping.

What Brandino has said earlier on about the smoothness of aim I agree with, I often get totally confused when pvping as to where players are and it takes me a bit to react whereas in the POV clips you're getting to them stupidly quickly with accurate aim. Is it hacks? I have no idea, I'm literally a bot. If it's not hacks, props to you dude, nice aim.

My main takeaway from this whole thread though is that, sure, it started as a discussion but has turned into unnecessary flaming of each other, I get that it's frustrating for Cow to seemingly not get fair treatment, and to the community perspective it's annoying seeing a supposed hacker make such a fuss but time to pump the brakes me thinks, it doesn't really help either party to start hating on each other.
Keep the conversation going, it's honestly interesting and partially educational (for me at least).

Honestly I started typing purely to talk about lag but kinda just kept typing cause bored and avoiding work. Take from this what you will.