Freeday doesn't help

Tysonyoshi · Dec 25, 2015

It's a good idea executed badly. While it does attract players in, it's definitely not as much as intended, and a lot of veteran players seem to hate playing in it aside from farming Archer kills.

Reasons
- Most people who play on freeday only play on Fridays. There's nothing stopping them and it shows in just how many more people play on freeday than a normal day. Them only playing on Friday gives them 0 incentive to actually go and buy the class.
- Not an accurate representation of how a class is going to play out for someone who might buy one with everyone being a premium. Someone might want to buy Engineer because it farms kills against Ninjas on freeday, and would want it for that reason. But that's not necessessairly the case on a normal day.
- Gameplay can get really stupid with millions of zombies or turrets crawling the area.
- Lag. Don't stress these potato servers out more.

Fixes?
- Give new players anywhere from a 3 day to 1 week VIP trial to experiment with the classes that can be activated via entering the website. A short amount of time for them to try out all the classes in a somewhat normal playing field.
or
- Give players a weekly trial game with each premium class. A player would get the chance to play 2-3 games every week to play any premium class they want. However, once that those 2-3 games ends, you have to wait another week. This little trial starts as soon as you pick a premium class you don't own, and you cannot leave the game you picked it and go to another server without the trial still being present on the new server you're on. Gives people freedom of what day to play on, playing it in an even less premium heavy enviorment (unless everyone plays their trial on the same day), and since it's only a few games and not all day, incentive to buy it.

SoCool21 · Dec 25, 2015

I think a good solution would be that every week, there's a free class different for everyone. Classes like engineer, dwarf and necro (AKA classes that are a pain in the ass to deal with when they're in large quantities) shouldn't be able to be a free class, to prevent complete and utter chaos.

Bill_D · Dec 25, 2015

I think we are better off with than without freeday, however I completely agree it could be so much better. One big problem with the current freeday is that the servers get overcrowded. There have been suggestions in the past to rectify this by adding more servers, and yes this would solves the over crowding issue on Fridays. But on any other day, that would be a waste, since there aren't enough players to fill all the servers.

I think that the concept of players having limited access to premium classes should be unique to each player. So, as Tyson suggested, perhaps each player has a timer that is independent of others, which gives them limited access to the premium classes. For example, a player has 3 games of chemist, or even 2 hours of ninja.

This way, the chances of a server being overcrowded will be greatly decreased, as players don't only have access to premium classes on one day

ContagiousBubble · Dec 25, 2015

This is a pretty bad idea, but how about stats don't count on free day? This way, New players can't butcher a veteran player's stats through the excessive amount of engineers and archers. And a veteran player can't farm kills off of a new player. This idea doesn't really help with the lag and chaos that Freeday brings, but in a way, current players might be more willing to play, knowing that stats can't be butchered.

EmperorTrump45 · Dec 25, 2015

I disagree. Freeday should stay.

iMuffles · Dec 26, 2015

Admiral_Munson said: ↑

Freeday doesn’t help? I beg to differ. Here’s why: (in 5k words or less!)

What constitutes a lot of veteran players? You and your friends or a couple people on the forums/skype, or @MineBrick12 certainly don’t if that is whom you are referring too. If, not please tell me how you came to the conclusion that the majority of veteran players hate Freeday.

Secondly, what was the intended number of players that Freeday was supposed to draw into CTF? Without a specific number this statement doesn’t make any sense. After all, Free Friday typically increases the popularity of CTF by 30-50 players, which is definitely not a bad thing considering that there’s usually only 70-130 players online most days of the week.

Really? And you know this because you have kept a log of which players play CTF most days and which ones have played only on Free Friday right? But wait, I don’t see any statistics here. I don’t see any server logs showing who logged in on Friday and who logged in on the other days of the week. You are trying to make a point here that most people who play on Freeday only play on Friday but you back it up with nothing aside from what I can only assume is personal experience. As such I strongly disagree with your point, sarcasm aside. Why? Because, and I will cite my own personal experiences here, I often see around 140-160 people online during Freeday at peak times and around 50-100 late at night. Maybe you see more people online but that is what I see on my server list when I load my Minecraft launcher on Friday. Consequently, on nearly every other day I see around 100-120 people online at peak times and anywhere from 30-70 people online later in the day. Does this mean that less people play on every other day of the week aside from Free Friday? I think that there is, as there is a somewhat sizable difference between the number of players between Friday and other days of the week. Does it mean that less people in total play on every other day aside from Friday? Possibly. But what these numbers do not indicate is that most people who play on Free Friday do not play on other days of the week.

To gain any idea of whether that is true or not one would have to look at the server logs, look at how many people played on each day in total (if you like), compare that to how many played on Free Friday and then determine how many days of the week each player played on aside from Friday. However, your assumption is even more ambiguous when one considers that more people play during Winter Break, the Summer, the Weekend (and other times when school is out), which causes player numbers to spike on days aside from Free Friday. In fact, suppose you had all the server log data. Now suppose that you found that more people played on a Saturday during the summer and it turned out to be way more than the number of people who played on a Friday on the week before Final Exams for most American schoolchildren. Then further suppose that a lot of those same people who played on that Saturday during the summer also played on the day before but not on the Friday before Final Exams. It’s hardly an unreasonable, if a bit specific, assumption. But what is my point here? My point is that just because players could play premium classes on Free Friday it does not mean that they will not play on other days, or that they will all flood the servers on Free Friday due to a number of real life events. Furthermore, even if you had all that data it is very difficult to prove that most people who play CTF only play on Friday because the true size of the CTF is community is not known. Why? While it is true that you could eventually calculate a certain number of players who joined the CTF server one or more times and state that is the true size of the community there are still a number uncertainties. For starters, the people who play on Free Friday always change. Like the CTF community, the Free Friday community is incredibly static. Maybe, on some Fridays most of the people who were online actually play CTF fairly regularly (say 3 or more times a week), whereas on another Friday most of the people who were online came online again only on the next Friday, or perhaps never again. As my Calculus teacher once said, it is impossible to prove the majority of an unknown. In other words, trying to divvy up the CTF community into certain fractions, such as the people who only play on Free Friday and those who do not is neither practical nor probable. Finally, another problem with your statement is that it is very vague. Are you referring to one server or multiple servers? The reason why this is important to point out is that on Free Friday virtually every server has around 25 or more players and as such, some servers could be full of regulars whereas others may have players which would not be considered to be regulars. Nevertheless, as Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle states, a ball of light can be in multiple places at once and in a similar fashion the number of Free Friday players could be mostly regulars or mostly infrequent players from one server to another.

Now I shall address the second part of your statement, which is that playing on Free Friday gives absolutely no incentive to go out and buy the class. You attempt to back this claim up with the aforementioned statement about how most people who play on Free Friday do not play on either other day. Very well, I will debunk this argument in another way from what I already have done. Back when I originally joined CTF, way back in March 2012 I did not own any premium classes, unlike today. Freeday really introduced me to the premium classes, like Necro, Ninja, and Dwarf, which I could not play on any other day and as such I always looked forward to every Friday on CTF. However, playing my favourite classes every Friday wasn’t enough for me. I’m not sure if you are familiar with psychology but a Russian physiologist named Ivan Pavlov discovered the concept of conditioning. In psychology conditioning is the process of matching some kind of stimulus up with a reward, or a punishment. In Pavlov’s case, he used a metronome or a bell right before he fed his dogs. After repeating this process for a while the dogs salivated whenever he rang the bell or sounded the metronome because they had been conditioned to think that they were about to be fed. In short, the dogs natural desire for food had been paired up with the reward of it after hearing a bell or a metronome. In a similar sense, as a CTF’er I had been conditioned to think that on every Friday I would be able to play the premium classes. Because I had received the reward of being able to play premium classes each Friday I had attained a desire to play them more often. In short, because I had been conditioned to expect a reward every Friday it had created a strong desire in me to buy one or more of the premium classes so that way I could get my reward (as it were) more often. In psychiatric terms, my own conditioning had created a strong desire in me to be able to play my favorite premium classes more often, leading to an action. You may be asking what the point is of this long monologue. The point of it, and especially of the psychology bit, is to show that Free Friday really does entice people to purchase the classes, as it did for me, by creating a desire to be able to play their favorite premiums more often than just one day.

How is that a problem? All that matters is that playing their favorite class on Free Friday makes them want to buy it, such as wanting to buy Engineer because they can killfarm Ninjas on Freeday.

There are a couple things I’d like to point out here. First, there are not millions of zombies crawling around. At most, there might be around ten or fifteen in a certain area or on the entire map. Second, not many people play Necro anyway because of its horrible and boring gameplay. And thirdly, whether or not gameplay gets ridiculous depends on the server size, map size, and on what classes’ people are playing. As such, gameplay may be crazy on a fifty person server, as it usually is but it may be roughly the same if not better (as compared to a weekday) on a twenty person server, or on a very large map. Furthermore, contrary to what you claim Free Friday can actually balance out the game a bit as @Liffy pointed out on a separate thread. How so? Because everyone can play premium classes, such as Chemist, Pyro, or Dwarf, and this mutual OP’ness can actually make the game less pay 2 win than it may be on any other day.

Not really true. Brawl’s servers aren’t the problem as much as location or poor internet connection may be. For example, I am on a less than amazing CenturyLink connection (at a brisk 1.2 Mb/s) and sometimes I get lag when few other people do, and it is usually due to my lacklustre connection. Also, lag varies from server to server, especially servers that are over capacity. As such, it may not be the fault of Freeday that servers are over capacity as much as the complete lack of enforcement of server size limits. Additionally, another cause of lag is that some maps simply cannot handle large numbers of players and this is more of an issue with the one size fits all server size limits rather than Free Friday (meaning that issues with this occur on all days of the week).

Now I will address your proposed fixes:

I actually really like this idea and something like it used to exist on Brawl as well as on McPVP. I think it would be great to bring it back, although I do not think it should replace Freeday.

2-3 games? Are you kidding me. That's surprisingly little playing time if you think about it. How so? Consider the following: What if someone joined a game and then it ended shortly after they joined and chose their premium class. That would be pretty lame. Furthermore, since most games don't last very long (10 minutes or so usually) and being able to play a premium class 2-3 times a week would severely limit the playing time for people who do not own premiums. That's a lousy replacement for Freeday.

Frankly, at the end of the day getting rid of Freeday and replacing it with some watered down solution that restricts playing time is a bad idea. Instead of getting rid of Freeday a much more sensible solution would be to simply balance out and or nerf/buff the classes through subsequent reworks as it would make Freeday less crazy and (in the case of classes like Necro and possibly Dwarf) would make people more likely to buy the classes.

My final point is this: Freeday is not the problem. The ridiculous imbalance of the classes (how some of them are very strong and others are really weak) and the total lack of enforcement of server size limits as well as the one size fits all approach to server size limits are the real issues here. Removing or altering Freeday is like bleeding someone for a head injury, it doesn't solve any problems but it does make things worse.
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writing out a 2000 word essay full of unnecessary crap doesnt make you look smart or help you win an argument, it makes you look like a pretentious tryhard

Plautius · Dec 26, 2015

ngl @Admiral_Munson i have made it a habit of scrolling to the bottom of your posts to see if i really wanna start reading them

Bill_D · Dec 26, 2015

iMuffles said: ↑

writing out a 2000 word essay full of unnecessary crap doesnt make you look smart or help you win an argument, it makes you look like a pretentious tryhard
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It was a bit long, but I'd hardly say it was crap. Whether or not it wins him an argument remains to be seen, however I am all but certain that it has helped his argument. The psychology part was interesting, and I definitely think this has shown Mr Munson is no slouch. Tryhard? To an extent, but to be honest this has shown how much free time he has xD

iMuffles · Dec 26, 2015

Bill_D said: ↑

It was a bit long, but I'd hardly say it was crap. Whether or not it wins him an argument remains to be seen, however I am all but certain that it has helped his argument. The psychology part was interesting, and I definitely think this has shown Mr Munson is no slouch. Tryhard? To an extent, but to be honest this has shown how much free time he has xD
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I could paraphrase that and make it less than half of its length and still get every useful point across. He's just stuffing in thousands of unnecessary words in an attempt to make himself look smarter.

SoCool21 · Dec 26, 2015

CBubbles said: ↑

This is a pretty bad idea, but how about stats don't count on free day? This way, New players can't butcher a veteran player's stats through the excessive amount of engineers and archers. And a veteran player can't farm kills off of a new player. This idea doesn't really help with the lag and chaos that Freeday brings, but in a way, current players might be more willing to play, knowing that stats can't be butchered.
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Stats really mean nothing. When I'm trying to get halfway across the map but die to 2 or 3 engineers, my biggest concern isn't "Oh no, a number showing my deaths on the website is going to go up! How embarrassing!", my biggest concern is that its impossible to play the game.

Bill_D said: ↑

I think we are better off with than without freeday, however I completely agree it could be so much better. One big problem with the current freeday is that the servers get overcrowded. There have been suggestions in the past to rectify this by adding more servers, and yes this would solves the over crowding issue on Fridays. But on any other day, that would be a waste, since there aren't enough players to fill all the servers.

I think that the concept of players having limited access to premium classes should be unique to each player. So, as Tyson suggested, perhaps each player has a timer that is independent of others, which gives them limited access to the premium classes. For example, a player has 3 games of chemist, or even 2 hours of ninja.

This way, the chances of a server being overcrowded will be greatly decreased, as players don't only have access to premium classes on one day
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HG could do with some servers - what if they add 2 HG servers which, on Fridays when everything gets crowded, gets turned into CTF servers? This could be done on other gamemodes too - if there's a lot of nearly empty War servers and McParty needs more servers because its getting crowded for whatever reason, War servers would be used to host McParty. They do it like this on Mineplex and Hypixel and it works really well.

iMuffles said: ↑

I could paraphrase that and make it less than half of its length and still get every useful point across. He's just stuffing in thousands of unnecessary words in an attempt to make himself look smarter.
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If someone wanted to make themselves look smart, they wouldn't write an essay debating whether or not classes on a Minecraft server should be available on a Friday.

Admiral_Munson said: ↑

Freeday doesn’t help? I beg to differ. Here’s why: (in 5k words or less!)
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Heeeere we go:

Admiral_Munson said: ↑

What constitutes a lot of veteran players? You and your friends or a couple people on the forums/skype, or @MineBrick12 certainly don’t if that is whom you are referring too. If, not please tell me how you came to the conclusion that the majority of veteran players hate Freeday.
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I don't really agree with that claim how the majority of veterans hate freeday, but its like Pyro in that its the source of a lot of arguments. If there were no problems whatsoever with Pyro, there'd be no arguments about it. If there were no problems with freeday, there'd be no arguments about it, but it isn't the case. I also see a lot of complaints about freeday in chat, just like I see a lot of complaints about Pyro in chat. There is a problem, and with a lot of veterans, but I wouldn't say its with the majority of them.

And even so, freeday isn't meant to be for veterans, its meant to be for new players. Do you really see new players staying and becoming regulars because of Fridays? Its aimed to do this, and its not working. If its the fuel of a decent amount of regulars on and off the forums (even if its not all of the regulars), and it doesn't even work, what'd be the point of having it?

Admiral_Munson said: ↑

Secondly, what was the intended number of players that Freeday was supposed to draw into CTF? Without a specific number this statement doesn’t make any sense. After all, Free Friday typically increases the popularity of CTF by 30-50 players, which is definitely not a bad thing considering that there’s usually only 70-130 players online most days of the week.
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To answer your question... all of them. The aim of freeday isn't to give players the novelty of having all classes but its to give non-donators an incentive to donate, and to make new players want to play on freeday with all the classes to stop new players from leaving. There's a hell of a lot of new players on CTF and I never really seem to notice the same new player twice. Maybe its due to problems as little as how it doesn't mention that every class is free on a Friday so new players are just confused, and don't actually realise its every Friday or its any more than a bug, or maybe its because freeday as a concept just doesn't work.

*gets bored* I'll do the rest later ok

Tysonyoshi · Dec 26, 2015

Admiral_Munson said: ↑

Instead of getting rid of Freeday a much more sensible solution would be to simply balance out and or nerf/buff the classes through subsequent reworks
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looooooool

BAWSS5 · Dec 26, 2015

iMuffles said: ↑

writing out a 2000 word essay full of unnecessary crap doesnt make you look smart or help you win an argument, it makes you look like a pretentious tryhard
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Dismissing somebody's argument because it's long makes you look like a fukwit, but I digress.

Bill_D · Dec 26, 2015

iMuffles said: ↑

I could paraphrase that and make it less than half of its length and still get every useful point across. He's just stuffing in thousands of unnecessary words in an attempt to make himself look smarter.
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Or perhaps he has lots of spare time? Or he likes to write?

Plautius · Dec 26, 2015

Bill_D said: ↑

Or perhaps he has lots of spare time? Or he likes to write?
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I think there are possibilities for him to use his writing skills more efficiently, for examply by producing contents some publisher would buy

iMuffles · Dec 26, 2015

BAWSS5 said: ↑

Dismissing somebody's argument because it's long makes you look like a fukwit, but I digress.
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I'm not dismissing it because it's long, I'm dismissing it because it's full of crap that can easily be conveyed in half of its length.

EmperorTrump45 · Dec 26, 2015

iMuffles said: ↑

I'm not dismissing it because it's long, I'm dismissing it because it's full of crap that can easily be conveyed in half of its length.
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Its been deleted. How about you stop going on about it?

iMuffles · Dec 26, 2015

Admiral_Munson said: ↑

Its been deleted. How about you stop going on about it?
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I was called a "fukwit" and my natural response is to argue that.

EmperorTrump45 · Dec 26, 2015

iMuffles said: ↑

I was called a "fukwit" and my natural response is to argue that.
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That's because you were/are acting like one. Want to respond to that? Please take it up with me in a PM. After all you know how much I love to argue since I'm such a "pretentious tryhard".

iMuffles · Dec 26, 2015

Admiral_Munson said: ↑

That's because you were/are acting like one. Want to respond to that? Please take it up with me in a PM. After all you know how much I love to argue since I'm such a "pretentious tryhard".
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It's been deleted. How about you stop going on about it?

BAWSS5 · Dec 26, 2015

iMuffles said: ↑

I'm not dismissing it because it's long, I'm dismissing it because it's full of crap that can easily be conveyed in half of its length.
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I can convey your entire dislike of his message as TL;DR, therefore your dislike of his method of argumentation is irrelevant.

Next time debate his message instead of just saying that his message is long and you'll probably get farther.

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