Dwarf Nerf Opinion

I dont like the nerf.. no I really dont. It didnt nerf it good enough it still is fricking OP and you shouldnt feel bad for it being nerfed, you should also understand its still way too OP.

 

Buffs > Nerfs.
I am an outsider mostly in the CTF community, but I can tell you this for sure.

Every class has some amazing strengths, for sure.

The problem is many classes probably have a variation on how good those strengths are. These strengths outweigh the weaknesses by a lot, creating an "OP" class. Buffing a characters strengths is not good game design, everything is too gimmicy at that point. Instead of nerfing OP classes, we should buff character weaknesses. I don't think those weaknesses should go away, because that defines the class. Yet making these weaknesses more manigable creates a more competitive, fun, and fair enviroments for mains of any class.

 

Idk if you know what dwarf is, but let me put it this way: before the nerf, it was basically a slow Hulk. Unlimited power. You could literally get Sharpness 30+, Flame 5, KB 10+ diamond sword in a single game of CTF. On top of this you have almost full diamond armor. Plz tell me what weaknesses we should have buffed to combat that.

 

1. I understand what dwarf does
2. A point to be made here is the lack of range of dwarf, and possibly other characters. I think buffing the weak range on class could be a point of interest, but I don't know how someone would go about that.

I also wouldn't jump the gun on a buff or nerf too soon, you want new stratagies, which will pop up eventually, to counter dwarf that haven't been discovered yet.

 

Dwarf doesn't need a nerf. It needs a rework.

 

The dwarf nerf was really put in place to stop it from being ridiculous whilst permanent changes were put in place. I hope those changes do get put in place soon but until then we'll just have to deal with it. I definitely want a rework over a simple nerf.

 

I think the nerf for dwarf had good motives but it still didnt really nerf it. You still get 1 shotted as a medic or chemist when the dwarf is level 10, and when it has buffs, the other team is automatically screwed. So maybe dwarf shouldnt be able to haemve buffs or crits idk.

 

First, let me set some things straight.

@BrandinoB is incorrect. In a 40 minute CTF Game, the old standard time, if you held shift for the entire game, you could only get to a maximum level of 28. I know because i've tested it. In a current 20 minute game, if a dwarf was lucky enough to survive for the whole game, and the entire game lasted for the full 20 minutes, the theoretical maximum is about 20. On average, a dwarf would get to between levels 14 and 16 before dying to an assassin or some form of team work.

Second, the reason that dwarf was so powerful was because it was designed to solo-defend the flag for potentially 40 minutes. During this time, the average size for any particular game was between 60 and 70 players.

Most players would play offense and either have a large fight in the middle of the map, or go and try to cap the flag. Because of this, the average team that attempted to capture the flag was between 4 and 6 people at once.

However, because fighting in the middle of the map was the most fun thing to do, there was very little defense, usually a medic, heavy, and a ninja. If a dwarf ever managed to make its way into the flag room without getting killed by the 15 or so players having a battle around the flag building, anybody defending the flag would generally leave, because there was a dwarf guarding the flag.

As such, if a dwarf was ever in the flag room, it was generally there alone, with sporadic help from a medic or other random people. And as it was generally alone, it had to be able to face 4-6 people at once and win, successfully defending the flag and surviving.


Since this, the meta of the game has changed. There are less players on the gamemode, and the ones who do play generally focus on the objectives rather than having fun, large battles, and getting massive kill streaks. This causes the numbers of defenders to swell, and the number of attackers to diminish due to a lack of possible players.

As a result, if there is a dwarf in the flag room, it is most definitely not alone, making it seem more OP. Additionally, there are less attackers to act as distractions/tanks/etc. making it seem more OP.

Because of this, dwarf as the class it was is balanced, however the game meta makes it OP.

In conclusion, because the dwarf is only unbalanced because of the gamemode, it requires a full rework, not just a nerf.

TL;DR It isn't the class itself that makes Dwarf OP, its the meta. @Dankmastr_Memesn is right. Dwarf needs a full rework.

 

Ikr? Having fun was so 2012.

 

dwarf is still the OPest class in the game and not being able to one shot every class doesn't change it

 

Nothing. Just the Sharpness XI, Knockback III, Fire Aspect II sword and damage potion, poison, fire, and headshot immunity.

 

Oh nooooo, now you can only 2-3 shot a heavy/everything instead of one shotting it! The horror!! It takes 1% more skill than before! It's too much! Must complain about dwarf being too weak!

 

How 'bout we nerf everything and play with knockback sticks.

 

If you compare this class to other defensive classes like assassin, ninja, and pyro, dwarf is way more op. First of all, a dwarf CAN defend against 5 people with good armor. You just need decent aim and that level II knockback and you can slap them away while theyre on fire. Other classes cannot deal with 5 good armoured players at once. They have little to no armour and can be surprise attacked by ninja and killed. Basically, dwarf can deal with 5 people.

Second, dwarf has great armor. The other classes are in the lower half of classes in term of armor points, and only 1 has steak to heal, making dwarf about a heavy.

Finally, dwarf has an INSANE damage output, to where if it has buffs or crits level 10, it 1-shots anything. This makes is the equvilant of an always frenzy pyro, or a buffed critting ninja or always activated assassination (which can be blocked). It literally only has to wait for about 5 minutes and then it can stay in this hulk mode for the rest of the game!

And while you could say the mobility makes it weak, the flagroom cant move, meaning you can just sit there and kill or severly damage any flag carrier.

Anyway, there are tricks where you can get a medic to remove your slowness by healing and a chemist to give you speed I. This means you can now move as fast as any other sprinting player. Horay! You just got yourself a diamond-armoured one-shotter that's coming for you!

Overall, dwarf can 1v5, has 2nd best armor, has steak, does as much damage as a frenzy pyro, and can negate the mobilty "weakness" with its flagroom camping.

 

@Claod Dwarf is supposed to be able to deal with 1v5 scenarios because it was designed to solo-defend the flag. Whenever a dwarf enters the flag room, everybody else is generally expected to leave because the extra defense is redundant, allowing them to go play offense.

However, because people actually play defense now, there will always be more people than just a dwarf in the flag room, which is what makes it OP. With that being said, the easiest ways to kill a dwarf are, in order, assassin, mage, and teamwork. Yes, you actually have to work together in a team game to accomplish anything, surprising.

In 1v1 secnarios, a competent dwarf will always win against all low armored classes (archer and below) at lvl 5. At lvl 11, the current max, a competent heavy is still more than capable of beating a dwarf in a 1v1 scenario. If you have two heavies, a heavy-soldier, or a heavy-medic combo, unless they are braindead, the dwarf will die. An exceptional ninja is also capable of killing a dwarf as well.

Also, to clarify what you and Brandino said. Assuming lvl 11 and full health enemies, a dwarf can only 1-shot ninjas and assassins. Elf and Mage are 1-shot if they do not heal before fire damage kills them. Pyro, Engineer are both two-shot. Chemists, archers, and medics take 3 shots to kill. Soldiers, other dwarfs, and heavies take 4 shots to kill.

Ignoring assassin and ninja, these numbers do increase if you factor in steak use.

@Blaze106 Before the nerf, dwarf used to become immune to fire, pyro insta-kills (pre-rework), damage, and poison potions at lvl 5, and gain water breathing at lvl 10. Currently, a dwarf gains the same resistances, but it must reach lvl 10 to earn them.

As for the blocking, you still can, and always have been able to block with a dwarf to reduce all incoming damage to a maximum of 1 heart. However, you lose experience proportional to the amount of damage reduced. Headshots remove a whopping 1000 experience. If you don't have enough experience to remove, you die. With this ability, if you block a headshot at lvl 11, you'll get reduced to between 4 and 5, which is just on the cusp of being able to block a second headshot. Two in quick succession will kill you, but if you can avoid being hit again for about 3 seconds, you can block 2 headshots in a row.