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  1. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    College and stuff is a decent part of this I'll admit - starting up chemistry studies in a few days and have a lot of work to do, plus starting to enjoy partying even more than I used to, plus with a few people coming into my life to spyce it up a lot, I wouldn't be very active anyways lol
    I also started playing Just Cause 3 a lot so there's that too

    If BrawlHG ever comes out and isn't the complete mess that it seems to be as of now I'll be back but otherwise see you around (if you want to talk or want some background/whatever my Discord is Uranium#3841)

    I don't know man Brawl's super stale and pretty dead right now, plus BrawlHG's never going to come out with the management that it's under and stuff so yeah, there's that.
    There's also a new HG server coming out soon (not going to advertise it here though) that's extraordinarily well coded and has some really cool staff members so you'll find me there when it's out. Just to point something out - I have so far done bug searching for every kit with every possible kit combination, done biome work, loot tables, and added special secret spawns and structures, but people really think I wouldn't do anything for HG. Thanks for your support!
    Gonna call a few people out just to be frank:
    @aefrogdog the promised activity and "work" for HG never materialized, you yourself were surprised that you were even promoted, and yet I did so much (just look at the HG section) and was basically told to let the big people do the work (what work lol), I really hated seeing your face on the staff team and it still tilts me pretty hard how you don't even understand why I was mad at you when it was pretty clear. Let me also show you peeps some interesting staff statistics
    - if you want more of these I can hit you up but basically Austin here has been on exactly never and has posted nothing (obviously) and never resolved any reports. I was actually starting to think we had a good staff management system for this kind of thing, and then this came along. Just shows how much work Roke has to deal with if he can't even get the time to deal with this (no hate here, Roke does a ton for Brawl and gets little to no credit for it either).
    @Miskey yeah sorry but you basically made sure he was accepted :v Your promises of work on HG never really materialized either, did they? Kinda fed up with all the non-committing answers I've gotten.
    Also just to point something out:
    https://www.brawl.com/stats/hg/ https://gyazo.com/f113659616ed04a90cca8df132cbad2e https://gyazo.com/dace0159043a00c743829d15ee5e981e https://gyazo.com/67955fcf61e0f319a44d2b68d6c21e06
    Say what you want about all of us having played MCPvP's HG but you 2 have barely played BrawlHG enough to get how it works if I'm fully honest (and, without leaking anything here, it shone through pretty hard). There's also a few other bad apples around both in and (thank God in some cases) out of the staff team but that's not part of why I'm out of here
    And one last promise, if HG does actually come out and the current management is still in charge I'll make sure it doesn't have players (and no this isn't a threat involving DDoS'ing - I'll be pointing people to this outro and a couple of other threads just to show how much people really (don't) care). If something changes about the management, I'll be back (with a semi-automatic shotgun and a large motorcycle).

    Buuut there's plenty of good people on here that I think get far less credit than they deserve:
    @Carnotauros is legit the best mod Raid could have - member of a non-dominant team and yet still extremely motivated to play, sad to see him stuck at purple if I'm honest
    @MoistMayonnaise should just be the Kit manager so that Kit can leave 2014 and enter 2018
    @HauntedForehead sneaky edit because he decided to become what he once swore to destroy
    @wintergreen3 idk why you're not SMod yet, we only really started talking more recently but you're also just one of those cool internet peeps
    @Lord_Roke despite not letting me take care of HG (which, by the way, I think I'd have done a pretty good job at) you still do a lot of work for a volunteer on a Minecraft server and I respect you for that
    @Admyral_Mynson or whatever your current name is (he changes it more than I do which is pretty impressive) is, despite my best efforts at proving him not to be, the saltiest meme lord on here
    @Fista_Cupz Ireland is bae, you need SMod, get over it
    Make @xxMineSheepxx staff manager
    @Jeenss yeet yeet yeet, shame to never have been able to fight you and your gang of massive noob lords on a BrawlHG event again (I'll kick your ass anywhere tho :stuck_out_tongue:). Can't wait to see you guys play some more HG on EU connections :wink:


    And lastly, to the very few actual MCPvP veterans on here, and elsewhere, for making my time on here (but mostly on MCPvP) so fantastic. Shaped me quite a bit, gotta admit it :wink:

    P.S. if you want some decent music (mostly modern chill rap, but also electro/edm and some bangin' 50s tunes and stuff) DM me on Discord
     
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    Cya fam
     
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  3. Jeenss

    Jeenss Ex-Raid Mod

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    Massive rip!
    Don't worry though, I'll still find you and whop you on any HG server :^)
    Take care, brethren :heart:
     
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    Thank you, and cya from brawl. You know when I am back and if that hg is going I will join you sometime. So I will do my best to work for kit even with how things are atm. Maybe someday eyes will be opened and stuff will get done. I am not afraid to say it was nice to play an Hg with you on here during Miskey's stream. (If you remember that) Also having quite a few 1v1s, testing for certain kits that aren't even up sadly. It has been a pleasure to play on brawl with you and I look forward to keeping in contact with you.

    "Animals photosynthesis" - Professor Martin 2018
     
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  6. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    I gcás gach deartháir a fhaighimid, is cosúil go gcaillfimid ceann eile, dea-ádh sa saol agus a chinntiú go bhfaighidh tú os a chionn!
     
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    Ice bear wishes you luck if it is organic chemistry...
     
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    Lekosa1 mineman

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    Kayrex Ex JMOD

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    Even though I didn't really know you, you seemed like a very cool and chill guy. You’ve done a lot for Brawl and especially HG. (literally, the whole HG forum section is filled with ideas and suggestions created by you.) You’ve also suggested ideas and such for kit and raid. I honestly don’t get why you didn’t get accepted as a staff member.

    Anyways, goodluck with college and chemistry, and spend us a visit when you have the time!
     
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  10. Miskey

    Miskey Leader of Annihilation | Former Media Manager

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    Imagine working on a game mode for weeks, learning plug-ins and doing them yourself because there isn't a coder, having everything done except for basic changes that need minimal coding work, getting a coder that's interested in doing it, then being told that he can't work on the game mode and that no one will. Before you blame me for hg not coming out please have some sort of idea of what the **** you're actually saying. **** like this is why you never got accepted. You sit here playing victim assuming everyone else is just jerking off doing nothing and you can never to keep your mouth shut long enough for an app to get accepted.

    Also, yeah I am a bit part in why Austin got accepted. Austin is also a big part of why all the hours on hours of terrain control work that we did actually worked out. Sadly we might never get to see it because of things that are outside of my control, but again, you have no idea what you're saying. I bring up hg all the time in upper staff chats and get completely ignored.

    Maybe that other hg server will have no idea who you are and give you a chance at being a staff member.

    Pce brother, I hope you learn to build relationships off of personalities and not blind assumptions regarding a minecraft server.
     
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  11. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    I'm so fed up with Brawl in general that I'm not even going to bother replying with anything other than "that's the opinion/vibe that I've been getting off of Brawl the last 2 years."
     
  12. Miskey

    Miskey Leader of Annihilation | Former Media Manager

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    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    Imagine threatening to cut off the playerbase of a gamemode when you have absolutely no part in the outcome of it :thinking: I'll keep it real with you chief, this really isn't it.
     
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  14. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Fair enough, your opinion is your opinion and part of the reason I'm quitting is that I was repeatedly told that I could have no part in the gamemode :thonc:





    plus I am HG's playerbase amirite
     
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    That rage ahaha like it
     
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  16. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Alright you know what this reply really got to me so I will answer.

    You repeatedly refused my offers of any sort of help, didn't let me do anything when unlike you I have a lot of experience on BrawlHG and don't decide that making it a UHC-style gamemode is a good idea in the slightest. If you really want proof I can post the dozens of messages I have where I asked if there was anything I could do.

    You also never, I repeat never wanted any of the developing help I said I could guide you to (since I can't code but know plenty of coders). And yes, people can come along and say "Sam, yeet, you forgot that putty doesn't do anything for HG and will refuse any coders having access to anyth-" NO. We are talking about an admin here. The point of "Admin" is that an admin has, well, the keys to the castle (with Chap of course still owning something on here I think but I don't know)

    You seriously doubted my commitment which is what drove me nuts, and yet neither you nor Austin have done anything close to how much work I've put into HG (if you actually want proof literally take a peek at the HG forums section, not that I'd be stating the obvious here).

    And yes, I think I can say I'm the victim here, having given you all the help you could have needed to make BrawlHG work but you decided not to work with it.

    As to your last points - as I said in my original post, I've so far done more work and gotten more things organized as a TRIAL MODERATOR on a server (which isn't open yet either, so moot on that one). Let's count through the things I've been able to do today, shall we?
    1. Finding, tracing, and preparing a fix for 2 gamebreaking bugs in AAC (anticheat plugin)
    2. Re-writing all kit descriptions, lobby tutorials
    3. Building a new lobby
    4. Getting a damager warp out (something that Brawl should have added in 2015 lol)
    5. Readying terrain control
    6. Making Phantom work properly
    7. Writing up a new kit balance list
    All without our dev (and thereby our owner) being online today whatsoever.
    (sm0l edit - I got the damager warp out yesterday, and had building help on the lobby)
    Please tell me again I only assume you guys sit around and do nothing without any knowledge and don't do anything myself. Considering that I managed to almost completely finish the work that you 2 have been "doing" for the past 4-5 months in around a week (and am well on the way to getting it done entirely) and thereby get "my" (obviously not my own server as stated) server ready to rock and roll for events and release within the next month, I think that's a pretty rich statement for you to be making here.

    Last point - your personality changed pretty much towards an ice-cold wall when you were promoted. I base my opinions of others on their behaviour/personalities, so there we are.

    peace
     
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    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    HG's development was supposed to be to implement some very basic and uncontroversial changes (note: not simple, not easy to code), release a public beta, and work from there. During the public beta, add some changes which might be more controversial, and where community opinion is important and necessary to make this gamemode good. I believed this approach was vital for HG's success, as we were essentially building a new playerbase from the ground up.

    The reason why I haven't introduced any of these more controversial ideas to you yet is because I did not want to "tip the scales" in favour of old HG players. In order for HG to be a success we needed to bank on building a new playerbase, and to do this we needed to focus on the opinions of the new playerbase. If I asked for your opinion long before asking the opinion of everyone else, it would make my perspective biased towards the old HG community's perspective. I wanted to avoid that.

    I'm not speaking for Miskey or Aefrogdog here, either. They may have their own reasons for not sharing ideas to you, I'll leave it to them to speak for themselves here.

    You're vastly overestimating the amount of power an admin has.

    Miskey absolutely does not have the power to hire an admin without Putty's support or permission. He does not have access to, and cannot spend, the revenue Brawl makes, and expecting him to hire a developer out of his own pocket is unreasonable. I can't go into details, but Miskey has done everything he can to get HG a developer. Trust me, you are being way too hard on him here.

    No-one's ever doubted you're commitment. No-one has ever said you're not insanely committed to HG, because that is simply wrong - you are by far the most committed community member Brawl has at the moment. That doesn't, at all, discredit what Miskey and Aefrogdog have done for HG. What you have done in posting forum threads, Miskey and I have done in coming up with ideas behind the scenes, and Aefrogdog has done in helping configure plugins. I really disagree with the mentality that "one person in a team [in this case, loosely] is better than everyone else" because that's simply not the case in a situation like this, where everyone has put in as much as they can offer. It's a toxic attitude, and this attitude is what made Miskey, Aefrogdog and I worried about allowing you to join the staff team.

    Again, comparing exactly what you've done compared to someone else is a very toxic mentality. The work for getting HG into public beta, on Miskey's end, is 100% complete. We're waiting on a dev to do some simple code changes, and until then, anyone who isn't a developer is unable to do anything for HG.

    All the changes you've described are things that Miskey has already done, or is literally unable to do. Even if Miskey has 100x the experience and 100x the commitment as you, Miskey would be unable to do this.

    Yes, you do. You assume everything you know about what went on in the higher-up staff team during HG's development, as you have no idea what was said in SMod and developer chats. Even I don't know what was said in Admin chats, and I literally managed the gamemode.

    It took us about a week to get everything done on our side. We knew exactly what we wanted to do, and got everything to a state of completion in about a week. Since then, it's been fine-tuning what we've already done, and waiting on (and helping) Putty to get us a dev.

    I've known Miskey for more than half a decade. For as long as I can remember, his personality has hardly changed.
     
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  18. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    1) Funny one. I gave him contacts to several devs who would have done it for free, one of them is one you know is a good and responsible person. Not sure what's so hard about making a passion project bigger by one other passionate person.

    2) Oh boy! I'll get some of the messages I've been getting from various people out of my salvage. I'll also find the recording where I was told that my ideas weren't "modern" enough for current HG by the big cheese himself.

    3) Good one once again

    I'll answer the rest of this later when I'm not typing out incredibly rude expletives instead of staying calm

    "uncontroversial" --> suggests adding indestructible fishing rods, suggests removing kits such as Anchor, suggests buffing Kangaroo and Endermage, suggests nerfing soup counts by making jungles containing 1/6th of the current cocoa bean count

    That's not just controversial but downright -bleep-

    Fair enough

    No, I don't think I am if I'm honest (before I lose my marbles completely PM me for my reasoning)
     
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    lul narcissist
     
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  20. Miskey

    Miskey Leader of Annihilation | Former Media Manager

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    Ok
    So, just want to highlight one point to start. The uhc style hg was planned because at the time it seemed realistic that it could be in open beta by the time balloon closed, which would have left a community without a place to go and a potential opportunity to appeal to them. If you're that mad about not being able to contribute maybe you should have worked on having a decent reputation within the community, which could have possibly lead to you getting staff. Even then, I didn't have perms to do anything else written on the rework doc as an ADMIN, so it might be a little difficult to get a normal community member with like 14 denied apps approved to do it.

    Dude I wish I had those perms holy ****. I literally had a coder make a plugin for hg to show that he was good enough for the job, the plugin worked great, then I was told that we weren't hiring him without any reasonable explanation. I was also told two different times that one of the coders we already have, two different coders btw, would be assigned to hg soon. One didn't want to do it and the other doesn't have time to do it. Tl;dr neither coder we have will do it rn and noone else can get perms to do it.

    Proposing ideas and doing work are different things. I never doubted your commitment, except for when you'd quit every other month. In fact I personally thought a lot of your ideas were either generic, already planned, or just straight up bad. I also thought that you were never able to take criticism yourself, which is awfully apparent now.

    I think the real victims here are the community members that were promised a gamemode this summer, not just you buddy. Ask any staff member that worked with me how much I pushed for hg to come out even after I was told it wasn't getting worked on.

    Saying you've done more work than me when you have no quantifiable way to measure how much work I've even done is incredibly ignorant. If you're going to try and call me our at least attempt to show something factual rather than basing a key point of your argument off of a speculative "educated" guess.

    Breaking down your points:

    1. There is no anticheat on the part of hg that I have access to, so this isn't at all applicable if we're comparing.

    2. There's a sheet with updated kit descriptions, I can't implement it with the perms I have. Don't have a lobby to make tutorials in, that also got put on indefinite hold.

    3. See the point above.

    4. Hey, this is almost a fair point, except for the fact that I don't have perms to do this. (Anyone notice a theme?)

    5. This is done for Brawl, and has been for multiple months.

    6. Hey I'm Miskey, brawl.com Admin, and I do not have perms to do this!

    7. This has been done for literally over a year on Brawl, but I can't implement it without a gamemode to put it on.

    Since you asked so nicely, you sit around and assume we do nothing with zero knowledge of what is actually happening. I'm elated to hear that you've nearly completed the work we have planned, even though you have literally no idea what that planned work was.

    If we didn't do any work and we sat around with our thumbs up our asses then why are you trying to get leaks from staff members regarding the work we've done on hg. Seems a little bit shady and contradicting if you ask me, but as we're clearly about to see in this next paragraph, I'm the one with bad morals and a ****ty personality.

    I've always been an asshole, never denied it, but at least I'm an asshole that knows what he's talking about. Sad to hear that my inexcusable behavior of not involving you in work I didn't even have perms to do myself fractured your fragile opinion of who I am. You have no idea who the **** I am, we've never been close, and we probably never will be since I have morals strong enough to deter me from talking to people that are fake.

    평화 형제
     
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