Don't be scared of 1.14

Another thing to point out is that Mojang has released a snapshot that looks to be another revamp of the combat system, and it actually makes pvp more closely aligned with the 1.8 style. I've played with it a little bit and it's not perfect, but I think after retouching some parts of it, Mojang will eventually be able to do a good job of undoing the ****show that is 1.9 pvp

 

there might be hope x d
ill hold off on my opinion until i feel the pvp for myself and to see if there are any potential custom improvements we or others (can) make to the pvp ...

itll be an inevitable hard transition, but with loads of opportunity if we do it right

 

Is minecraft really almost on 1.15 already? Wow. anyways, my way of thinking about it is like all the different windows versions.
Windows 7 - good, easy to learn and use. (1.8 and below)
Windows 8 - what were they honestly thinking (1.9 and above)
Windows 10 - a mixture of both (1.15)
I think this new combat system rework would be a mixture of both the systems just like windows 10. It would certainly make everything every interesting. Hopefully after stable versions of the plugins Brawl uses come out the server will be able to update. it would certainly be refreshing. There will be loads of new opportunities for Brawl and we shall see them as long as Mojang doesn't screw it up.

 

I believe Mojang has released snapshots to fix the PVP system that they messed up back in 1.9 that’s why everyone still uses 1.8.9

 

Honestly, as stated before many times, the possibilities with 1.14 overly justify the decision to update. I believe with the snapshot and some tweaking, the PvP differences can easily be circumvented (the major thing I know people don't like are smaller hitboxes); the server in general and CTF are not purely PvP based, albeit PvP is a strong component (people will adjust overtime if new content is added to keep them interested despite changes). Other than that, the leap of faith definitely needs to be calculated. Many technical things should be taken into consideration and plans for a big update involving 1.9+ content should be presented before confirming the switch.

 

If the issue with pvp can be maneuvered around, is there an actual argument for not updating to the latest version?

 

No not necessarily. But still Mojang has released snapshots for Minecraft which will most likely be 1.15. This is just an opinion from me.

 

Despite fixing the PvP issue, some people have said that switching between versions would be a pain, especially most servers that people play are still on 1.8 (e.g. PvP servers). So if we updated to 1.14, or even 1.15 if it comes out and seems to have improved combat, people would have to constantly switch back and forth from 1.14/15 to 1.8, unless these servers update. This isn't just a Brawl issue, it's the PvP community as a whole. If 1.15 manages to improve combat, hopefully it means that most servers will then update to 1.15, which would get rid of this switching issue.

 

Five reasons:
1) Habit, players have been playing for five years on 1.8.9 and the past has shown that any big changes are first met with scepticism and disapproval
2) 1.9+ PvP with cooldowns, which we can fix by emulating 1.8. combat, and decide later if to keep that or move to 1.15 combat
3) Players have to update their clients, which could mean loss of players as several smaller servers are also on 1.8.9
4) Problems ingame, e.g., Elf shield (easily fixable) and Assassin blocking (needs rework)
5) The Raid community is pretty old school and prefers to be on 1.7 because of more challenging combat and hardcore enchanting without hints

That being said several points can be worked around, and the rest have to be adressed carefully.

 

BUt biLL ThE upDaTed PvP sUX

 

Sounds like a personal problem tbh

1. It’s not hard to switch between versions of the game, it literally takes maybe 25 seconds.
2. Easily fixable, so is it really an issue?
3. Update their hacked clients? But I guess finding a new toggle sprint and optifine for 1.15/1.14 would take about 10 minutes, so that would be a pain.
4. Again if it’s easily fixable then is it really issue?
5. The raid community is old school. So because the raid community is old school... the whole server shouldn’t be updated?

What I meant by issues is actual game breaking issues like “the game will literally not function if we update”. If something’s easily fixable what’s the problem? Not to mention people who might have to spend a minute switching between 1.8 and 1.14 or those who have to spend almost 5-10 minutes finding new mods to play the game is not a reason to not update the server. Denying an update that would be a incredibly beneficial because people would have to update their clients seems like a foolish decision.

 

I mean.. couldn't we do a community poll on the news and announcement forum when the time comes? See if the new 1.15 is really what we want? We could maybe even try a temporary test version of 1.15 combat for ctf if the staff are up to it and see if its actually enjoyable.

 

Regarding 1), switching is not hard, but every time you switch between 1.8.9 and 1.14 your controls reset and your texturepacks unloads. Quite annoying so I don't know how long players would keep up with that. At this point of time, I believe CTF is fit to migrate to 1.14 besides the aforementioned issues with classes that use blocking. I don't know what the status with other gamemodes is, Build for example is still using 1.13 on Build #3 because WorldEdit hasn't updated yet. If clients (legit ones, not hacked ones) are an issue, an alternative could be to update to a 1.13 version, although that seems rather unlikely.

That was the plan, although I am somewhat concerned that it will backfire and players will vote to stay on 1.8.9 out of the reasons stated above. I don't see a future-proof alternative of updating and obviously we could clarify that the vote won't be the final decision, but it would still leave a bitter taste changing something so major when the community is against it.

 

are you saying it’s possible to update individual servers and not the entire server? In that case each game mode could poll to which game mode they’d like to see. Important to note that it’s impossible to please everyone, regardless of what choice is made. A poll is the most fair way to go about it, just expect backlash regardless of what ends up happening.

 

No.

And let me preface this by saying, I play 1.14 when I want to enjoy minecraft. I play CTF when I want to kill *****es.

1.14 is good for one thing, SMP. That's it. Quite literally.

1.7-1.8. is for PVP.

 

Can we downgrade to 1.7.10? ngl, I liked that version better... xD

This is going to sound super contradictory to what I've said in the past, but I think they should change to 1.15. Trust me, I'd prefer having 1.7 or 1.8, because of the pvp style. But as a business, your job isn't to keep the nostalgia going... As a business, you guys need to ignore the community and what they think as long as it better for the business. WOW!?!? ikr... When the pyro nerf came out I said the complete opposite. But I guess I was a bit naive back then, too. Why do I say this now, though? Because I realized after the pyro nerf how op pyro really was. Loved playing with it, but hated playing against it. That's exactly how I play league btw too. I hated when people played Yasuo/Garen so now of course, I play Yasuo and Garen. Now, Brawl isn't a top-tier server in terms of player count. It may be like mid-tier but I don't think it's ever really caught everyone's attention. So I wouldn't completely remove the old version of MCCTF (1.8), but maybe it would be a good idea to have two versions of CTF- One version 1.8 and the most updated version and I know this isn't a popular idea because people say it will split the community. I don't think it'll split it but rather force people to play both versions of Minecraft CTF and whichever one sticks with the community, the community will use. Why I say that is because, Me, kirby2ig, and redslime all made an older version of CTF once (all from scratch) and we got as many people we could on discord to join the server and play it. Now, keep in mind it wasn't 100% prepared, but it basically instantly died because people went back to the regular CTF. In conclusion, I don't think having 2 servers of CTF will split the community, I think 1.15 is good, and the staff should just ignore the community. However, coding it will be a pain, so I totally understand not wanting to do that if it's too much work.

 

1.7.10 > 1.14

 

Come on, guys. 1.8.9 came out on December 9, 2015. That's almost four years ago.

It's time to move on.