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How I was banned / The State of the Staff Team

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by LeUniCow, May 18, 2020.

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  1. StormNox

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    I have a feeling the staff team are going to reveal some truths about their ban system on this thread.
     
  2. LeUniCow

    LeUniCow Well-Known Member

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    I like to think that my awareness and general game sense is fairly good. I have a simple strat for deciding where someone is. Basically if someone isn't infront of me and I haven't seen them go elsewhere, then the chances are they're behind me. All you have to do is turn your hand until your cursor is over them, it's really quite easy - Yes this leads to moments where you mess up completely and miss (moments not in the evidence against me), but also moments where you get it right (or close to) and it appears as though it's "perfect" even though on 1st person pov it definitely isnt (in most cases).

    Yes admittedly the flaming on my behalf was unnecessary, but I felt that the cases where I was flaming, that they were justified responses to the flamey comments made. I too have learnt things, and would like to continue to learn things AS i think the staff team should also be doing......
     
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  3. fridge

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    minecraft yurrr brawl privacy rules making ss'ing not allowed yurrr players getting banned and having no way to prove there innocence yurrr
    all in all even if ss'ing was allowed there's no competent people on the current staff team who has any knowledge it
    there will literally always be sketchy clips either if ur legit or not I've seen myself get sketchy hits in 3rd POV making me think I cheat too
    there's nothing you can do about it even though I'm 95% sure u wont give up good luck with getting unbanned
    (i was mad baked writing this if it doesnt make sense probably why)
     
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  4. Arkenssine

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    What the hell did I miss, I’m playing for a whole 3 months and forums isn’t moving at all; I’m gone for like a week and a half and we’re having a CTF trial while my last 3 brain cells just imploded
     
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  5. Magnificent

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    i literally dont play but if he hacks so be it, if not tough **** nobody should care this much

    game bad

    ninja is a nutty class and getting any hit imaginable is possible /shrug
     
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  6. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    Please refrain from posting any further toxic and/or off-topic comments and return to discussing the issues brought up in the OP.

    To clarify this:
    The perceived guideline of "do not talk to permbanned players at all" was a misunderstanding and SoCool is not to blame. For the purpose of discussing appeals and bans, staff members are of course allowed to talk to players.
    However, we ask staff members to limit other forms of communication especially with players permbanned for serious rule violations like DoX or similar - this is for the safety of our staff team.
    We are going to make this clear to all staff members.

    @LeUniCow please also understand that we can not spend infinite amounts of time on a single permban. If a decision is reached and e.g. a new appeal date is given, we are not going to keep on discussing the punishment forever.
     
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  7. LeUniCow

    LeUniCow Well-Known Member

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    At no point did I ask you to spend infinite amounts of time, I don't think anyone could expect that. All i'm asking is that you as a staff team make the right decision the first time, which you didn't here.
    And it seems like from this: "a new appeal date is given, we are not going to keep on discussing the punishment forever."
    That you really aren't interested in if your decision was correct.

    At the very least I wanted the staff team to learn something out of this, but it seems as though they are unwilling to do that too, either through stubbornness or bigheadedness
     
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  8. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member

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    I mean socool has literally made a massive post about how he wants to make some big overhauls to the protocols etc. so they are clearly going to try and improve their methods? Just because they are being stubborn in unbanning you doesn't mean that the staff team doesn't want to learn and improve lol
     
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  9. Lekosa1

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    Unrelated and related passive post coming through.

    Once again I’m so happy to announce that I’ve played on a server such as Brawl where the staff are carefully selected and care about their duties.

    Many servers wouldn’t give a single infinitesimally small sh*t about a punished player.

    Thanks for the great staff team regardless of a decision being just or unjust in the eyes of a player. At least it’s possible to have a discussion.
     
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  10. LeUniCow

    LeUniCow Well-Known Member

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    One of us has definitely misunderstood what SoCool was trying to convey.
    It was protocol (singular).

    What I read was that the protocol he's trying to change is to do with talking to permabanned players and limiting the communication to them (assuming they are banned for DoX etc), for all staff members, not just those that dealt with the appeal.

    I don't remember reading anywhere that he's interested in changing protocols to GCs, in fact he seems quite confident on how their methods turn out despite the huge flaws of them.

    ^^this is why I don't think they're learning, because they're so sure that staring at a video for hours is the only option they have for detecting GCs, while still maintaining that delayed hits and position lag (and also simply turning around) = 'aim assist'



    "Based on the methods we use to detect ghost clients, we can be sure that someone's ghost client ban is correct just like we can be sure that someone's ban for fly is correct" ~ SoCool

    If he went ahead and said 'yes we're going to try and implement screensharing etc etc...' then I would believe that the staff team want to change their methods. Instead he just complained about what they can't do or how it wont work (without even attempting it).
    Not exactly convincing me that other people wont be false banned in the future for the same reasons.
     
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  11. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member

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    No worries @LeUniCow I’ve underlined and bolded the bit where SoCool clearly says he wants to make changes to the way things such as GC detection and appeal handling are done on brawl. Either you are being lazy and not reading his responses or you are just trying to paint the staff team in a bad image because you are still salty. Please just move on because you are not achieving anything. I don’t even know why this thread isn’t locked.
     
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  12. LeUniCow

    LeUniCow Well-Known Member

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    My bad, I did say I didn't remember reading it, but my other points still stand.
    As I said to SoCool directly, I don't have to paint the staff team in a bad light when they do that so well themselves. Except to people like you of course. Baffles me..

    Agree though, there's no more revelations that can be made in this thread.
     
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  13. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    No worries Dave you've taken the time to completely ignore what Uni had to say about the situation, it's fine and dandy for the protocol to be changed but not fine if it's done selectively to avoid unbanning a player where it isn't clear if the player is cheating and I still question how you got a rank on here again, we all know how you would be acting in his situation so not sure what the point of being so biased is, did Uni smack your CTF team or something
     
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  14. Greenfoot5

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    I've been following this thread without knowing much about the protocol and what goes on behind the scenes. But, I'd like to think if protocol changes, next time you make an appeal, the process would be better.

    I am assuming based on this you have received a new appeal date, and staff have made it clear that little will change before your next appeal. They may even reset all cooldowns on appeal affected by the protocol changes, I'm not staff, I don't know.

    I'm not weighing into this argument for or against Cow/Staff, I just felt this should be pointed out.
     
  15. GGGGG12

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    I can definitely say that those flicks can be done legit and on high sens. I used to play on high sens too. It comes through experience by playing the game and knowing where your enemy player is positioned. I did this flicks too, until I changed my sens. Also the wired hacks can absolutely be caused by high ping. It normally happens when you hit a player, but through the lag it takes sometime till the server realizes it should have been a hit and that is why the hit is delayed. The clips do look fishy, but they can be explained reasonably and gave as information too that, which can give us those explanations and I think it's unfair to perm ban him. When there is the possibility he is legit and I can say from my experience in minecraft that does situations can happen and I don't hack. Could you please unban him, because he is a big figure in the community and there is not 100% prove that he is cheating. Thanks for reading
     
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  16. LeUniCow

    LeUniCow Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I got given a new date straight away, but i've been getting mixed messages from staff members on whether there's a chance of getting the appeal re-decided. SoCool and Miskey made it clear they were 100% the ban was correct, but Ritzy is currently looking over everything to double check, so seems as though there may be a chance, however small.
     
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  17. GGGGG12

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    I hope you best luck and hopefully get unbanned
     
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  18. LeUniCow

    LeUniCow Well-Known Member

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    Thank you nice person
     
  19. GGGGG12

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    Can I make a ban appeal for you writing that it's possible and it's from me or should I do a forum posed
     
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  20. Sayan

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    lol
     
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