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Idea Necro Rework - Making Necro more Interactive

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by EmperorTrump45, Jul 6, 2015.

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  1. AriesRam10

    AriesRam10 Old MCPVP'er

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    Not sure but he may have been saying tat because Necro works with dead people?
     
    #21 AriesRam10, Jul 10, 2015
  2. AtomicStrafes

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    I think its a good idea
     
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    #22 AtomicStrafes, Jul 10, 2015
  3. ProfeshunalSpelr

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    You're removing the pickaxe =/
    Now Necro can't counter Engineer.
     
    #23 ProfeshunalSpelr, Jul 10, 2015
  4. EmperorTrump45

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    That's your point? I don't see how it's such a problem since Engineer got a major nerf to its turret and can be countered by a bunch of other classes including Mage, Archer, Heavy, and other Engineers.

    Another point to note is that getting rid of the pickaxe and spawner isn't really bad like you seem to be suggesting: in fact current Necro is countered harder by Engineer. All the Engineer has to do is destroy the spawner and all your mobs are gone or he can just place a turret near your spawner and kill the mobs. This Necro would not be countered very well by Engineer since its FAR more mobile and does not depend at all on a spawner which can be easily destroyed by an Engineer.

    Also Necro can actually become involved in team-fights and can exercise some control over its mobs (see portal) so they aren't just derping around all over the place like you've got with the current Necro. Thus the many benefits of a mobile Necro far outweigh the loss of a pickaxe and being able to 'counter' Engineer.
     
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  5. ProfeshunalSpelr

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    A turret's durability is still pretty long. And if the Engineer runs away from its turret, it's going to be tough to break the turret. Also it's common that if you're trying to break the turret. Enemies who used the teleporter will probably go all kamikaze on you. So ya. That's my point.
     
    #25 ProfeshunalSpelr, Jul 11, 2015
  6. AriesRam10

    AriesRam10 Old MCPVP'er

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    And you coudent go Engineer? Most people with Necro also have Engineer...
     
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  7. ProfeshunalSpelr

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    Remember XP prizes? One of the prizes was free Necro. I think at around level 10-20 they'd gift you it. So the majority of the people have Necro if they voted or played the game. Engineer how ever, was not one of the prizes.
     
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  8. AriesRam10

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    I honestly dont think so. Necro may have been free after some point, but how many people from CTF, that still play CTF, and havent bought Engineer got Necro from it? Anyone who farmed XP got past that point before they changed it to Necro, anyone who mained CTF would have had a hard time getting the XP as CTF was a pretty low source.

    But anyway, Archer is a perfectly viable sourse to counter Engineer, as well as "because it takes the pickax away" is not a reason to give a class a roll.

    In other words Necro is not your ***** to deal with Engineer.
     
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    #28 AriesRam10, Jul 11, 2015
  9. EmperorTrump45

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    Your point makes no sense because you cannot prove that Necro is the only actual counter to Engineer when it's not by any means :stuck_out_tongue:

    @AriesRam10 damn straight.
     
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    #29 EmperorTrump45, Jul 11, 2015
  10. ProfeshunalSpelr

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    Never stated that Necro is the only actual counter to Engineer. But I see how you may assume that. But I'm pretty sure Necro is still a good counter to Engineer. +Good Armor, +Diamond Pick, +6 Steaks. Necro's can break turrets.
    You'll probably say, "But Engineer can just replace them"
    And I'll respond, "Now the Engineer has to return to the spot it placed it's turret, therefore risking his/her life in the process"
    Removing a pickaxe lessens a Necro's melee attack damage (alone). Also PvPing with a pickaxe looks pretty :]
     
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  11. EmperorTrump45

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    A wooden sword with Sharpness II does more damage than a diamond pickaxe with no enchantment (the diamond pick only does a little more than an un-enchanted gold or wooden sword)o this rework increases Necro's melee damage.
    I agree pick PvP looks cool though and I do enjoy doing it :smile:

    To address the rest of your post: I really don't want to make this an argument about whether or not Necro is a viable counter to Engineer - I just realized it was going in that direction actually. The point I'm trying to make is that removing Necro's pickaxe does not mean that Engineer will suddenly be upgraded to some OP monstrosity that cannot possibly be countered. Another point I made in an earlier post is that the Necro in this rework is not as heavily countered by Engineer. To restate that point: Necro isn't countered as much because it has more control over its mobs and isn't so dependent on a spawner that an Engineer can easily destroy.
     
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  12. AriesRam10

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    If you wanted to keep the counter make it so the turret would target the mobs over the Necro so he can case the Engineer or distroy the fence.
     
    #32 AriesRam10, Jul 12, 2015
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    OMG YES YES YES
     
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