Admiral's Necro Rework Scream Jar

Necro is a really good class.

In fact its so good that every time I play it in game I want to yell: "GIMMEH MY MONEH BACK!!!"

@SoCool in this thread https://www.brawl.com/threads/42254/#post-539536:
2. Necro
Once again a snowballing class, but no matter what, necro is never good enough for general CTF gameplay. It fulfils absolutely no roles, and zombies are very annoying to fight when you are trying to cap. Necro can mostly be played by running to a place near the enemy's spawn, placing your spawner in a concealed area and camping at your spawn. It is very underpowered, and has no point in the game.

(plus more comments I forgot to include/missed or the numerous less than flattering in game comments about Necro)

Number of Necro Reworks/Tweaks Suggested: 19 (this post is outdated so there are probably closer to 30 reworks atm)



19 suggested reworks since June 4th or in other words 19 reworks in 54 days. That's about 1 rework every three days and doesn't even include the enormous amount of reworks on Discourse and YAF for Necro. No I'm not saying that all these reworks are works of genius but the sheer number of them should say something about the state of the class and what it says is that Necro sucks.

I mean, none of the other classes have had as many reworks suggested for them as Necro! Even Chemist, has had less reworks suggested and its also a broken class but hey at least its actually fun to play and useful although OP.

I know that someone's going to look at this thread and wonder why I'm putting up so much of a fuss about Necro when CTF has a bunch of other problems (bugs/hackers) as well as other classes that are also broken/unbalanced (or have a lot of glitches) like Chemist, Assassin, Dwarf, Pyro, Mage, Engineer, Soldier, and Archer.

Well I'd like to restate the comments above me, the class is utter garbage unlike the classes above it really doesn't do much in the game. It's not so bad in melee PvP but good gracious the zombies are damn near useless and that defeats the whole purpose of the class! Like, there are so many mechanics in Necro that for some reason have not happened - such as being able to control your zombies so they don't wander off into the void, implementing more useful mobs aside from skeletons (they suck), and removing the idiotic spawner which massively decreases the range and interactivity of the class. The point is, there are so many ways that Necro is broken/useless that there are many very obvious fixes that have been ignored as well as many creative ideas, which I will get into further later in this post.

WiKi_KiKi proposed a pretty good Necro rework a long time ago on McPVP, but it never happened. Yet somehow, in an fascinating twist, CTF got another class - Mage - and reworks/tweaks for a number of classes including Engineer! And then even more mysteriously while Necro reworks are getting ignored on the forums McPVP comes out with another class - Elf! You know people say that coders are busy a lot and I get that. I code some myself, but for god's sake how in the hell was there time for making TWO additional classes and time to give Necro a severe nerf on its monster's power, but not time for a rework of the class so it's not a snowballing, spawner placing, boring, piece of poop as it is now? Is there some magical stuff going on there or something? Or do the admins have in place a magnificent plan to rework Necro that just got lost in the shuffle?

I mean... there are ideas out there! It's not like it is the bane of man kind to think of a good Necro rework. Take @Webmant's rework for example - that was pretty good not to mention creative, and it would actually make Necro interactive and useful! Yeah, useful, you know, that one word you don't think of in the same sentence as Necro.

By the way I strongly suggest you checking @Webmant's rework out, you can find it here: https://www.brawl.com/threads/42049/

Hell, this class was better when it glitched out and allowed you to place over 100 spawners. Sure, it broke the game but dammit it was fun.

Is there any hope for a Necro rework, anytime in the future? I mean, it might be more profitable for starters if it was reworked because people would probably be more inclined to buy a class that was really fun and powerful (i.e., Mage/Chemist) than the DERP (Dumb, Easy, Really bad, Potsh*t) class like Necro currently is.

-Rant Over-

Thank you for your time,

-Admiral

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Just because Necro is not ridiculously OP does not mean it is any less of a problem and deserves less attention than the other classes.

Your argument against an immediate Necro buff (that it could break the game more if buffed) doesn't make any sense because it assumes that a Necro rework would be designed by people with the intelligence and foresight of a pistachio nut. Furthermore, your statement completely ignores the possibility of a balanced Necro rework and assumes that it would be poorly designed and would wreck the game - and thus should not be reworked yet. On the other hand a good Necro rework (of which there are several) could add a lot to the game and should be a priority because right now, it's a useless class.

 

Sure but why not Necro as well? I can see where you're coming from, that Pyro and Soldier are mega OP and should be changed first for that reason. However, what I'm saying is that Necro doesn't get left behind. I'm not saying it should be more of a priority than Pyro or Soldier but that it should be an equal priority since it is garbage at the moment and if it were buffed it could make the game better just as a good Soldier and Pyro rework undoubtedly would.

Also I find it funny how one of your reasons is that it would cost 'money' to rework Necro. What's costing Brawl money right now is that Necro is being left in its current state, unchanged. I mean who the heck wants to buy a class that does almost nothing? Probably not that many people. It would make monetary sense to put the time and effort into making Necro a much more enjoyable class so that more people would buy it.

No I didn't mistake the fact that you were expressing your opinion. And I expressed mine, which is that I think you are wrong. I think you'd agree that it would be a little silly for me not to respond to your post since the entire point of this topic is to point out how terrible Necro is and how much it needs a rework.

 

First off I just want to point out that Necro, Pyro, Soldier, Assassin, Archer, Dwarf, Chemist, and Mage (to a lesser extent) are all broken, although in different ways and to varying degrees.

Obviously, you are right that broken classes sour everyone's gameplay. Pyro, Chemist, and Soldier in particular, are classes that ruin the gameplay either because they are too powerful overall or because they are far too good at what they do. However, Necro is one of the few classes that ruins gameplay for those who play it and for those who play against it because it is not only not fun but because it is boring. Necro sours the game for people who play the class because it is neither enjoyable or particularly useful. On the other hand, Necro ruins game-play because it is not involved in it. Since Necro is a broken, weak, snowballing class it does not add much to the game and because of that, it leaves a whole aspect of gameplay missing from CTF that could be present if it was a useful class and got a rework.

Admittedly, Necro does not screw up the game as directly as Pyro, Soldier, Dwarf, Chemist (and others) do, but that is no reason for why it should get any less attention than those classes. If Necro were reworked at the same time with the above classes it could add all sorts of aspects to the CTF, such as providing a viable counter for powerful classes and adding a greater sense of teamwork to gameplay as well.

 

Yeah and all I'm saying is that they are all immediate problems deserving of equal attention.