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Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by MightyCharlie, Mar 12, 2016.

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  1. MightyCharlie

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    Hi, I'm back again with my second post today (sorry).

    When I'm talking about democracy, I mean the right of the people - in this case the community - to have a say in decisions concerning changes of the system. What does that mean for you? Having an extended say in that next class rework, voting on whether or not to minorly buff or nerf a class and generally being able to state an opinion being heard occasionally.

    Why democracy?

    I believe democracy is important on Brawl to ensure the community's well-being and to limit the amount of hatred the developers are currently getting for some of the changes introduced because people think their voice remained unheard. Although the forums are already a possibility to suggest changes, rarely is it possible for the staff to have a full overview of all the reworks and opinions concerning a topic or knowing if the majority of the community (a term that could actually be used) approved or disapproved of a topic.


    In a democracy, staff never has to reason decisions because they were made by the community. No one could complain about mismanagement on Brawl's side. There would be controverse topics to be argued about, sure, but not only the ones active on the forums (usually the regulars) would have a chance to give their opinion, but also the broader in-game community of whom the opinion no longer would have to be speculated about.


    The game's popularity revolves around how happy the community is with it, the happier the community, the more benefitial the game is for Brawl.


    How could it work?


    There are multiple ways how a democracy could work on Brawl;


    The probably easiest one involves regular polls on discussed topics on the forums. The outcome of the poll determines the further actions of the staff. The poll options are based on well-structured and elaborated ideas by the community who can send in options that are then checked and discussed by the staff to see if they can even theoretically work. If a player at this point does not have his option added, he needs to be able to ask for a reasoning. These polls could be linked in the in-game chat so everyone playing knows about them and has the chance to vote. (Direct democracy)

    An alternative way, being more complex involves another committee elected by the playerbase (also through applications, perhaps) that is able to discuss ideas with staff. (Representative democracy).

    I appreciate that I am frequently wrong, and that if anyone has ideas to add or disputes this idea to let me know.

    Thanks,

    Charlie

    @NomNuggetNom
     
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  2. Sona_Tea

    Sona_Tea Active Member

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    irelands government is a democracy so i support this message
     
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  3. pandanielxd

    pandanielxd its panda daniel

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    I totally agreee
     
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    but why would someone in power want to distribute
     
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    There would still be a central force of power, right?
     
  6. JoseMigueCarrera

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    Democracy is not always good; sometimes democracy may be something really really unfair and bad.
     
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  7. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    Would you mind elaborating and/or exemplifying this thesis? :smile:
     
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    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    IRELAND! WOOHOO
     
  9. randomcitizen1

    randomcitizen1 The schizophrenic swagmoneymillionaire

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    Well, I'm not in favor of a full blown democracy (that would never work here :V), however, I've thought for a long time about a sort of representative democracy if that's what you want to call it. It would be a forums team comprised of well established players who know what needs to be done in the servers. This team would go through the server ideas section and pick out the most promising ideas every (insert how often here). The best ideas would then be voted on via a thread/poll the team puts out. The final ideas would then be submitted to the admins who would submit it to the devs. EzPz.
     
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  10. JoseMigueCarrera

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    I will let you find out: ''Today in the votes have said that 89% of the white population have accepted the notion of killing all black people, at the end 68% of the population have accepted that. As we are a democrat country, we will kill all the blacks''
    Not always democracy is good, what would you say that 4/5 of the community accepts banning every jewish? Is that democrat? Of coarse it is! Is that legit? ...!
     
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    AWWW YEAH, hit me up with some of that democracy bruh!!!

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  12. Plautius

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    every democracy is based on a constitution granting certain rights, my friend. Or have you ever seen all blacks being killed in the U. S.
     
  13. jml16

    jml16 hautest cow ul ever know(jml16) ;D

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    Democracy can be a great thing, if the majority of people support something, then it will most likely be put into effect. What it isn't good for is the minority of people, who are under represented, and may sometimes be more correct then the majority.

    Now to apply this to the original post:
    If everyone votes on something, like for instance a new class idea or class change, the majority will vote on what benefits them the most, and most likely vote for a very op class or class change, and the minority of players who see a need for a more balanced system will be under represented and outvoted. I think that the current system works fine, because, most of the devs know how to make something balanced, unlike a random player.
     
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    Democracy!
     
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  15. JoseMigueCarrera

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    When did i mentioned US? Plus is just a hipotical case. What I mean is that majorities can be against minorities
     
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  18. Plautius

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    You did not mention it, I did. To exemplify the antithesis of your point. In any case, also when a majority acts against a minority (and no basic human rights are violated), the majority will get its will, as opposed to the minority getting its will, leading to a larger level of satisfaction and therefore making the game more popular as it would have been favoring the minority.
     
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  19. TTD3

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    @Plautius
    Eine Demokratie ohne Rechtsstaat ist, wenn zwei Wölfe und ein Schaf über das Nachtessen abstimmen.
    (Ja, ich weiss, dass du dies durchaus wohl auch so siehst... ich wollte den Satz nur einfach gerne mal bringen ^^)

    A democracy is nothing else than the reign of the majority. That being said, I'd personally favour a representative democracy with 'strict rules' over a 'direct democracy'.
    Majorities can be wrong.

    I know that this might sound ridiculous if I bring up the politics of my country (Switzerland).
    Some years ago, there was a study which showed that the biggest political party was mainly supported by people which weren't really represented by the party's politic. Ridiculous, isn't it?
    Each 'good' democracy also has the 'seperation of powers', whereas CTF doesn't really have that.
    The mods right now are the legislative and the judiciary and to some point also the executive (especially if they're both mods and devs).
    Nevermind the offtopic...

    Personally, I'd like to see a (possibly elected) committee thinking of new ideas (but also accepting ideas of 'normal' members) which might be beneficial for 'everyone'. Then they'd pass it on to the mods which would have to give a reasoning why or why not to use it or if it's even possible (so maybe including devs in this process too).
    Then it'd get presented to the community which can criticise the whole concept as well etc.
    This way, most of the work would be done by the committee and thus easing the work the mods have to do a bit, so they can focus more on their 'judiciary part' :wink:

    As for the 'rules' (I think I should rather call them guidelines lol) the committee should follow, there's mainly three things to follow:
    1. Does it benefit a vast part of the community? (honestly, this is a preeetty difficult question, since like nerfing one class heavily might only negatively affect a couple of players while the others benefit from it maybe only a bit etc.)
    2. Is it benefitial to new players? (don't underestimate this please, because this voice would go unheard even if there was an option to vote in the chat. So the committee should always try to see through the eyes of a new(er) player)
    3. Is it even possible? (duh!)

    and all this came out longer than expected ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  20. ACE_BLUE2

    ACE_BLUE2 Sup'

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    You all have made my day, this thread is so amazing! xDDDD. This is the first time I've seen so many ratings for someone who isn't a mod o_o
     
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