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Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Plautius, Apr 9, 2016.

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  1. meon

    meon Member

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    I feel like ninja should do more damage. Like when a ninja gets like 3 hits in a row (combo) it gets strength 2 or someting.
     
    #61 meon, Apr 21, 2016
  2. Sibs

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    Interesting idea, but I would say that would fit assassin better.
     
    #62 Sibs, Apr 21, 2016
  3. TheMaelstromsEye

    TheMaelstromsEye Well-Known Member

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    Assassin needs an instakill or at least a 2 shotter. Pyros "nerf" is basically an instakill without the need for bows/flint to ignite them anymore, just hit someone 4 times and they good and dead. So assassins nerf should still be a way to 1 shot or 2 shot someone like frenzy.

    Ninja does enough damage on its own, its not suppose to do as much damage to soldier or heavy due to the strong armor. Ninjas sharpness is mostly likely gonna stay at 4, so i recommend adapting sibs.
     
    #63 TheMaelstromsEye, Apr 22, 2016
  4. Miskey

    Miskey Leader of Annihilation | Former Media Manager

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    I agree here. The wrong part of ninja was nerfed. The reason the class was too strong on recovery and offense with the better sword was the mobility of the class. You can need the sword as much as you want, but ninja has way more chances that any other class to cap or recov. I'd like to see the sword changes reverted, and maybe have a cooldown on the enderpearls after one hits.
     
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    #64 Miskey, Apr 22, 2016
  5. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    No offence, but this is based on your own skill.
    Why don't we ask some of the best Ninjas out there, like @Billhelm?
    And even though I apparently suck at CTF (fair enough), only lag or bad luck stops me from killing someone, be they a Medic or Heavy or Dwarf.
     
    #65 xGhale, Apr 22, 2016
  6. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    m not quite sure you would get the gist if I were to rate this funny so here goes.
    Billhelm has already replied on page three; so much for that point. I first of all consider my ninja skill rather on the top end - forgive my arrogance, but it's my main. If you wish to go ninja and 1v1 me, choose my class and go ahead.
    Second, you don't seem to have properly read my thread. I said average skill in both cases. I can also outpvp random edics, tyvm. Maybe you spend your CTF time on smaller servers, idk. But reg against reg, ninja loses, no matter what my skill... or yours (;
     
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    #66 Plautius, Apr 22, 2016
  7. lasertagfighter

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    Where's Elf? WHERE IS IT ?!!?? WHERE ARE THEY??!
     
    #67 lasertagfighter, Apr 22, 2016
  8. Creux

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    ninja is usually gauranteed the first hit and that solidifies it's role. I don't want to see buffs to damage. Unlike other classes its guaranteed at least some damage on what it wants to hit. what it needs is some survivability.
     
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    #68 Creux, Apr 22, 2016
  9. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    @Creux how does the first hit or even the second solidify its role if you need a minimum of four vs low armor - let alone steak, healing and medics? The first hit is only useful if you go another five times...
    Ninja has nine attack damage atm. Hevy has seven. What armor would you want? chainmail? It's not the point of ninja to have survivability. It is the squishy of ctf. Please don't nerf swords and buff armor everywhere you go - I personally have no interest in fistfights with prot4 full dia. As much as you might enjoy that kohi pvp skill of yours, it's not what CTF was made for
     
    #69 Plautius, Apr 23, 2016
  10. Creux

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    I posted that way earlier than I wanted too there was a bit more I wanted to say but figured that was enough and gave up. allow me to explain. I see ninja as the rogue of ctf. if you're not familiar with rogue characteristics they typically require large amounts of skill to play, have stealth, are very fast, and this all comes together into what I call the ability to "test" players. ninja being guaranteed the first hit is another way of saying that you can test players by presenting to them a situation that they are forced to address and that is a powerful thing. I still find myself going ninja when I really want to force in damage.

    Balancing ninja so that it can 1v1 is the wrong way to go. because of it's ability to test it needs to give up overall power. and fine it may be my "kohi pvp skill" talking (even though I have never played on kohi), but I don't see more damage as fun when compared to what ninja should be getting. Tighter mechanics more options and sustainability in the form of rewards for combos (not armor). Those sound fun.

    P.S pls refrain from:
    strawman
    ad hominem
    and slippery slope fallacies
     
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    #70 Creux, Apr 23, 2016
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  11. scapezar

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    Buff the sword. lol and nerf its cheap capping ability already ._.
    It'll be interesting to see how it plays out... because yes the average ninja player can't do much against other classes, but it's the experienced players that can still make the class OP. Buff its current state and it's going to be very OP for those more skilled players.
    *cough* chemist can only be effectively played by skilled players - needs buff? *cough* archer needs nerf *cough*
     
    #71 scapezar, Apr 23, 2016
  12. Serine1002

    Serine1002 A shadow in the night

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    If you're fighting a dwarf you died
     
    #72 Serine1002, Apr 23, 2016
  13. Billhelm

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    Lmao!

    That's like saying necros role is solidified just because it's usually able to place a spawner...
     
    #73 Billhelm, Apr 23, 2016
  14. silvah777

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    I think ninja after the nerf is like this:
    [​IMG]
     
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    #74 silvah777, Apr 24, 2016
  15. HOTWEEABOO69

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    All I ask is for is make it sharp 5
     
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    #75 HOTWEEABOO69, Apr 25, 2016
  16. Plautius

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    doesn't change much... you still need as many hits on just about everything as Sharp4
     
    #76 Plautius, Apr 25, 2016
  17. iWatchPaintDry

    iWatchPaintDry Well-Known Member

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    To be fair any class in a 1v1 will lose to a decent- leveled dwarf 95% of the time. The other 5% is pretty much heavies / assassins. So a ninja like many other classes will die to it. (ninja and dwarf both need rework bad)
    I agree with @Creux that ninja shouldnt be buffed in terms of strength. Its too weak and should get some sort of drastic improvement in survavability (i.e combo bonus or light armour). A ninja was never supposed to be a tank or able to win in a fair fight. In ancient times Ninjas needed to use the element of suprise (invisa) equipment (eggs) and their speed +
    strategy. Improving sword makes the already op ninjas even more op. Instead of making ninja easier and turning it into something its not u need to change things like its current capping situation.
     
    #77 iWatchPaintDry, Apr 25, 2016
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  18. jarboyp

    jarboyp Bunny Defender

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    I don't really have a big problem with ninja. Yes, they can be the best class for single player capping but the counter to this is to stare at the flag at all times, which gets boring but it works so :/
     
    #78 jarboyp, Apr 25, 2016
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