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Hackers are a real problem. Please make NoCheat as stringent as it is on other servers.

Discussion in 'Wild West' started by Dsawemd, Jun 2, 2016.

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  1. Dsawemd

    Dsawemd Well-Known Member

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    On Wild West server, catching a hacker requires that you go to them, or that you succeed in recording them in the first combat.

    Returning to them takes time (sometimes you cannot even find the person, or catch up to them), and results in another death, and there is no guarantee that your evidence will be considered "sufficient proof" unless they are literally 5 blocks above the ground. I won't bother doing it anymore (until an Auto-Banner is there to help me), that is the gist of my argument.

    Succeeding in recording them the first time? Of course I will still try to do that. But most often, the brief moment before Death by Hacker is not enough time to gather evidence. In those cases where a hacker found me and killed me before I can screenshot his hacks, I will announce in chat that there is a hacker, and then I will leave the server for a bit rather than trying to solve the issue as a player without any effective tools to do so. I recommend that everyone adopts a similar policy until flying is auto-banned (at the very least), to encourage Brawl to deal with hackers in an official capacity.

    Its not my responsibility to chase after people with hacks, but that seems to be what you are advocating. Understand: I am not turning a blind eye to hackers. I am not going out of my way to catch them either.
     
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  2. Darthh_Vader

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    I tried to take snapshots of a hacker flying yesterday. Named MagicLikeBlue. Used speed and fly hacks however my finger wasn't fast enough to take the picture. I lost a horse and processed drugs. I reported that person multiple times and told 18kss. We need a better AntiCheat system.
     
  3. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Screenshots are never sufficient proof. If you can't record, just do /report and hope a staff member is online.
     
  4. Eil

    Eil Ex-Raid // Perm. Ban Manager
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    What staff don't seem to realise is that we can't record 24/7 - If you see a fly hacker, its usually only a glimpse, only got 5 seconds. That is not enough time (for me) to open up recorded software and record, hence the hacker gets away. Most of the time when I do /report, no one comes, they continue to hack yet they do not get banned, and a lot of the time I actually ask a MOD in my friends list to come and take a look. So there are two problems currently the way I see it.

    1. Staff do not always respond to a /report
    2. BrawlBot isn't on, hasn't been 'fine tuned' so it doesn't false ban, yet its been over a month since Wild West was released.

    BrawlBot needs fixing asap. Thats the simple fact of it - Hackers are ruining the server.
     
  5. Dsawemd

    Dsawemd Well-Known Member

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    I have had screenshots be sufficient proof, you are incorrect.
     
  6. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    They shouldn't be. I could easily photoshop fake proof of anyone fly hacking. They may get you banned here, but screenshots will never be 100%, fool proof evidence of getting anyone banned.
     
  7. Dsawemd

    Dsawemd Well-Known Member

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    If you take screenshots away as proof, many players have NO tools to record hacking.
     
  8. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Better that than being able to fake proof to get people you don't like banned. You don't even need to record hacking, you can just do /report.
     
  9. Dsawemd

    Dsawemd Well-Known Member

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    When there are no staff on, it is necessary to gather evidence. Many players cannot begin to record without lagging so much that by the time they begin the recording, combat is over (3-4 seconds maximum, against a hacker).
    In this post you rather rudely told me to continue gathering evidence (you even got honored for your rudeness, as it was in defense of the server).

    Now you are arguing for the sole method of evidence gathering available to me (and others) to be no longer accepted as proof.

    It looks like you're being contrary on purpose.
     
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  10. AnimeLoverVerlyn

    AnimeLoverVerlyn Well-Known Member

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    Very interesting. I need to look into that. I've never heard of someone going through such trouble in attempt to get someone banned.
    On a more serious note, I do agree with @SoCool21 . Photoshop can be used easily to provide false proof, which is why screenshots are generally insufficient evidence.
     
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  11. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    Screenshots are generally rejected as “Sufficient Evidence" because 1: Photoshop, and 2: Hacked clients that can generate chat messages.
     
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