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Resignation The moment you've all been waiting for

Discussion in 'Outros' started by 0racle, Feb 20, 2017.

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  1. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    :smile: Thanks Striker, but I don't think they had any intention of giving me smod. I was already working like one, so why give me the rank? It was a delicate balance and if I was allowed to without getting Roke'd, I would show you the screenshots that showed how conversations were ignored. But since you were staff you should know just as well as I do that that's a huge no no. I don't know what more I could've done to be deserving of the rank. And I wasn't going to stoop so low as to ask why I wasn't smod yet. That's one of the big things I'll never do. I'll never beg. I could've handled the situation better, it's true, but I was depressed and anxious and kind of ashamed and embarrassed and hurt by the entire thing and it was better that I got out. I was hoping that by resigning, the higher staff would see that something maybe wasn't right and a discussion would pop up from it. It was short lived, but there was one and now I'm hoping that with oracle's resignation, that conversation goes on for a little while longer and maybe somethings get changed. No new higher staff. They do an alright job as it is right now, but maybe more communication between them and the lower staff. There are always these secrets and I can't expect everyone to know everything about everyone else, but a lot of people on the staff team right now are in a bad state of mind, and all of this is hurting them a lot more than people realize. I just hope things change before someone really does get hurt more than mentally.
     
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  2. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    Yep, perfectly said. Yeah, I do know that releasing slack messages is a no no, but it shouldn't be a no no. Staff volunteer their time to do their job so they should at least be able to expose some corruption in the staff team.

    Besides that, my only issue is that we can't complain about who gets what rank, despite how right or wrongfully so they were handed out. The bottom line is applying for staff means applying to help the community. You won't always get the job you want, but you applied for the sole purpose of helping the community. Both you and oracle made significant changes to the community, but I think a few nametags, titles and permissions hindered both of your capability to be able to continue helping out the community. Brawl has had a terrible history with higher staff -> lower staff -> player
    communication, and I don't believe the issue has been fixed. It certainly has not been fixed with the manager system as promised, because it's clearly causing commotion within the team.

    But you said you basically did everything an smod did, just without the tag. Why were you embarrassed when you were helping out the community and making an impact? Why did you end your staff career when you were so passionate about changing party?
     
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  3. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I'm 19 and work 3 jobs outside of being a full time student and I still had time to work on brawl because I wanted it to succeed. That was a choice I made for myself and I'm not asking others to do it as well. It was a really rough thing to handle and that caused a lot of my anxiety, but I do know what it's like being a community member. I knew I could be that voice of the people and I went through each and every single thread in the party subforums and wrote down which would be cool to add and not cool to add. I pm'ed developers asking if certain things were possible. I kept a strict to-do checklist and followed up with it regularly, adding in new material. I worked on the trello for party, the party wiki, and answered every single bug report and staff application regarding party. I'm not sure what else I could've done. Waited longer? I don't know if that would've helped. There was no way for me to improve myself after that. The stress was too much and yes, I let my emotions get the better of me. Thankfully it ended up being better for me to resign, but I don't think that was the case with oracle here. Raid was his life and it's terrible that the higher staff looked at his work and said, "it isn't creative enough." I know what that's like. I created 5 different maps for party to try to get some new variations. I was told that each and every one (with the exception of one map) did not fit party's theme. I was confused by this and tried to change my theme designs. I created a mario party themed map. Still not party themed. I didn't get it. It's the little things like that. It took me 2 weeks to make that map. 2 weeks to modify and learn a new build style to better fit party's "theme" and I was told it wasn't good enough. I don't know if you know how that feels, but it's kind of terrible :'(

    I really like this discussion we're having because it's definitely helping me work things out in my head and I can only hope that you get some sort of advantage from this. :smile: I was embarrassed that someone who had come back 3 weeks ago got the position I had been working towards my entire time as staff. To me, that was a message of "you're not good enough and you'll never be as good as this person who just showed up". I already had problems with my self-confidence (which I don't blame anyone for. No one knew except a couple of people. I hid it really well so I wouldn't make other people sad or pity me) so this came as a huge blow to me self esteem.
     
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  4. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    I agree, you did quite a bit and I feel compassionate despite me sounding harsh. You and oracle were excellent staff members and I understand more than you guys think. Your hard work certainly was not forgotten, especially by the community and me. I look to gain no advantage other than to express my opinion and make both of you feel better. I know I sounded a little harsh but I only wish for the best and to make any situation better. I'll try my best to make a change about this, as I do agree with you. I just had a little disagreement with what was said in the resignation, that's all.
     
  5. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    Thanks Striker. And I'll be reapplying. I just need to work on some stuff right now and there are some people who really need me, so I need to focus on them before I even think about taking on this position again. However, when I do I'll be standing up for myself. I've learned so much from so many different people and I'm a better person because of this entire thing. We'll keep in touch I'm sure. Oh, and @0racle I need your skype bby. Mine's featherpaw, so go ahead and add me if you want.
     
  6. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    Hi my name is Admiral and I have no idea what's going on but I agree with @Mario
     
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  7. AmbitionZ_

    AmbitionZ_ Highly Established Member

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    Rip, I saw this earlier but I was too flustered to respond, I'm sad to see that yet another staff member has resigned, I see all your points in this thread, and wish you best of luck in whatever you do
     
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  8. enderdragon3615

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    Hmm well, I believe I am completely unqualified to reply to this thread, so I guess that means I should. (Joking of course!)

    @0racle you and I have never talked, and I am almost certain that you had no clue I existed, but I still want to wish you the best wherever and whatever you do. Brawl is stuck in a loop of sadness that I think everyone becomes wrapped up in. We see staff, grow fond of said staff, bond with staff, watch as they quit, new staff are promoted, and then it just loops back to the beginning. By reading every comment on this thread I have learned that you deeply cared for Brawl and its community. You dedicated countless hours to Raid, and because of that vigor and dedication it is growing. You have inspired countless people to be better, do better, and to apply for staff. I don't need to have known you to say thank you so much for all that you have contributed to this wild messed up family. I wish you had left on better terms with the staff, but who knows maybe you will return one day and make things right :wink:

    I have seen 1 consistent point throughout this thread, and that is that the higher staff sorta bully lower staff group. I can honestly say that I have no idea if this is true or not. The problem I am seeing is this ridiculously huge gap between the staff ranks. We see staff talking about other staff (yes I also include developers as staff) in rude ways behind their backs. We see staff creating small bands of staff members together creating a sort of battle between the different staff groups. In my humble opinion this is so wrong. It almost seems that there is more cohesion between the regular player base than with the staff members. This is completely reversed!

    What is the main reason for having staff? My immediate answer is to manage the player base in an orderly, mature, and sometimes fun fashion. By being a friend to the player base the staff are creating unity with each other. How can the staff properly do their job if they are not able to act as one? I am sorry if I am sounding like a parent, but all of this finger pointing at one another is just making the staff look bad. The player base is supposed to trust the staff members, high rank and low rank, to look out for us and for each other. How can we the players do this if we see the staff bickering and pointing fingers at one another?

    I think the solution is very clear from where I stand. The staff just need to communicate with each other. I know, it sounds really corny but think of it like this. Brawl is a business and all businesses require teamwork and cohesion to function. When a person has a heart attack the heart is either beating too quickly, slowly or not at all. All parts surrounding the hearts start to quiver and spasm randomly, which prevents the heart to restore a healthy beat. I say this because that is exactly what is happening to Brawl. The heart is the community, and every surrounding part is the staff. The staff are not synchronized, which is causing the community to suffer. Staff NEED to start talking to each other. Not just with their own rank, but with all of them. High staff and lower staff need to work together to restore unity.

    Sorry I went off on a little tangent, but I believe that communication is key in avoiding events like these staff resignations.
     
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  9. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    3 people are getting roasted here and I don't even need to tag them
     
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  10. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    You're right, and I apologize for that, but I feel that the community has a right to know what is going on; both the good and the bad. I've never been one to lie to you guys and say that everything is alright when it is not. Yes, we could take care of this behind closed doors, away from the public eye, but from what I've noticed during my short time as staff, we've tried. There will always be issues among staff members. That is to be expected, but I feel that the transparency between staff and the community means not hiding as well. The good, the bad, and the ugly must be shown in order to truly move forward from this. All this "hate being thrown at other people" isn't really hate in my opinion. It's bickering, yes, but we're a family and family bickers. There's always that one uncle who never shows up, and that overbearing aunt, and that annoying baby sister, and that rude older brother. That's what makes the staff team so great. All these different types of people coming together to create a family. I hold no grudges anymore towards any staff members because I see this all so clearly now. I was too caught up in everything and took things way too personally. Had I not cared as much, it probably would've been different. However, moving on from this is very important and I think all staff need to reevaluate who they are as a person and see things from everyone's point of view.
     
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  11. SweetLava

    SweetLava The Sweetest of Lava's

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    I can not believe the amount of shade in this resignation boiiiii.
    I'm so happy that you didn't hold back and said what was on your mind.

    "I was delighted when putty resigned"

    I laughed so hard I think my mum woke up. It's not even happy, it's "delighted". No smilies would do my reaction justice.
    I don't think I've ever agreed with someone this much in my life.
    The disrespect that comes from the upper stuff is unacceptable. During my time it was Putty and Signatured since he was also admin once upon a time (it was mostly putty tho)
    The constant ignoring and disrespectful dumb replies and comments, just gets you so frustrated.

    Oracle, I know how passionate you were about managing the raid server and it's such ashame it had to end like this. I hope you get to where you want in life, where your opinions will be heard, where you won't be disrespected and I hope to still see you around in game or on the forums! :wink:
     
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  12. Ry23an

    Ry23an Orchard Thief

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    I can see it going downhill too

    @0racle thanks for your dedication to raid even if some of your ideas were biased :stuck_out_tongue: good luck in the future
    BTW u suk at pvp n' tracking and u betray :smile:

    I think a lot of staff/resigned staff members are forgetting this:

    Donations
    We thank the users below for donating to Brawl during the last month!
    Stopid - $10.00
    Vincz - $10.00
    cheers4carter - $3.00
    StupidKevin - $2.00
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    KayciZ - $1.69
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    That's the donations from December...
    Through reoccurring prizes brawl gave away 120$ worth of coupons(i know this doesn't cost them anything but it is over 3 times the value of donations...)
    I don't think anyone needs me to explain why this results in laggy servers and slow development of new ideas...
     
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  13. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    Dang what a response XD thanks for hearing me out and understanding where I'm coming from. I'm glad you found it funny though haha xD

    @Eil and @AnonymousGalaxy will take over fine. I have complete faith in them to do even better. Thanks for the kind words though.
     
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  14. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    About the controversy about @GreenPeas getting SMod, and not @Sn4x5 or @_featherpaw_: I've spoken to someone in private about it before because people seem to be forgetting why people get promoted. I'm really happy @GreenPeas is an SMod, because he used to be in the higher staff team and, from what I heard, was an amazing admin. If he gets promoted to admin, eventually head admin, I'll have even more hope that the system will be fixed since @Canoodle and Peas will probably be working together quite a lot.

    However, this does not mean Sn4x5 or Feather didn't deserve the role more. Both are incredibly dedicated staff members and they've spent a much longer time working towards trying to improve the gamemode than Peas has, but this doesn't mean they should necessarily get promoted. The person who would fulfil the role best should be promoted; Peas has a lot of experience with WarZ, used to be a higher-up and is one of the most popular staff members Brawl's ever had. He'll fulfil the role very well, albeit he doesn't deserve the role as much as Sn4x5 or Feather.

    I have no doubt in my mind Peas will be a brilliant SMod; he was before, why can't he do it again? He knows how the system works, he was around when Brawl was popular and has excellent knowledge on Brawl's past, and hopefully what made it successful back then. Sure, maybe he doesn't deserve it as much as Sn4x5 or Feather, and maybe he is a "prick" (although, I haven't seen that to be the case), but he'll definitely to a great job in the higher-up staff team.

    That being said, I don't know why he was promoted straight away to WarZ SMod, and Party SMod, and assistant staff manager. Personally, I think that's a lot of roles to do, especially considering there are people who could've done some of those roles instead. I'm only against the decision of giving him so much responsibility when there are others who could've done it instead. However, there is clearly an issue in the staff system (most people in the staff team will know what I'm talking about). I'm thinking Peas getting promoted to SMod, and hopefully admin eventually, will help sort this out. Give him a chance, he was amazing in the staff team before; I'm sure he'll do amazing again. That doesn't mean Sn4x5 and Feather didn't deserve the roles more, though.

    This is the only major bits I disagree with in all this, though. A lot of the points in the original post are incredibly understandable (and in my case, agreeable). Brawl really can't afford to ignore all of this.

    And one last thing. One of the things which really annoyed me while I was on the staff team was when @0racle told @Mario that there was a bug in raid, and Mario's response was "f*ck raid". I'm not sure if that bug was ever fixed or if Mario was joking or anything, but its hardly the best communication between server managers and developers.
     
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  15. Tuumai

    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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    It was really nice to meet you and team with yaaaa 0racle sadly ur leaving now:/. Best of your future PEACE
     
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  16. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member

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    Idk where you got this from cos I donated and I'm not on that list.
     
  17. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Same here
     
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  18. Ry23an

    Ry23an Orchard Thief

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    Paul Well-Known Member

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    it's me joking. for someone who was on the staff team as long as you were i'm surprised you still don't understand my style of humor
     
  20. Ry23an

    Ry23an Orchard Thief

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    I was referring to frost saying he might apply but then again frost likes to pvp so he might not be as biased in decisions :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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