Content Cop: People who defend headshots

It's not really relevant so I'm not too bothered

They do, they can see you, they can still predict you. Yes, this increases the chance you survive, it doesn't make archer balanced.

No, if you take the underwater route furthest from spawn you're less likely to be killed, but also more likely to run into enemy offense.

I can shoot into the holes between those trees from angles, which means other archers can too. Again reducing your likelihood of getting headshot but not removing it entirely.

Yes but as with pretty much everything this is designed to minimise contact with archers. I don't know how to express this other than just because you avoid them doesn't mean the class is balanced. It just means that you're having to take extra measures to have more of a chance at not being shot. We're talking about how archer is/isn't balanced, not how to avoid them.

 

U should like the archer insta kill :-:

 

Well...

 

@LordCh4os so TLDR my suggestions minimise your risk of dying? Wow we're finally on the same page

Being serious, though, I don't see how you can make such a big deal out of "taking extra measures to [avoid] being shot". I take extra measures to avoid dying all the time, why can't I just make a small change to my movement to optimise my playstyle? You're blaming other people for something that you can easily fix.

Also let's give a big hand to @Dankmastr_Memesn for missing the point entirely, woo go team

 

no, we're not on the same page. I'm saying that your argument is fundamentally flawed because your processes don't go anywhere in explaining how archer is balanced and that you're trying to evade the subject by explaining how you can avoid them. If you're having to avoid a class to that extent that actually suggests that there is probably something wrong with it. I have no idea how the hell to explain this to you for you to understand this!

 

@LordCh4os it's because you can avoid them so easily that makes them "balanced" (although I hesitate to that term, I admit that it's horrendous against new players).

Just as I take measures to avoid being taken out by ninjas or assassins while holding the flag, I will take measures to avoid being hit by arrows. It's about awareness of your surroundings, and not putting yourself into dangerous situations. As a veteran you should be able to do that much.

 

I read this and my first impression was honestly "are you for real?"
No, you can't avoid them easily. You can see that in game where archers are wracking up large amounts of kills even when people are using alternative routes, and also in team matches where one archer can decimate an offense despite them strafing and again using alternative routes. Your argument consists now that you can eliminate every problem archer has by avoiding it. Let's run that by some of the other classes using the same mentality then.

How is engineer balanced? You can avoid it!
How is ninja balanced? You can avoid it!
How is buffed heavy with broken crits balanced? You can avoid it!
How is assassin balanced? You can avoid it!

Yes because in actual fact all of these are easier to avoid than an archer arrow because they're moving slower than that arrow, and they have to be within a close distance of you to deal any damage! Thank you @DeadRhos for pointing out how we've all been stupid, and that ctf is balanced simply because we can avoid everything!

Ok, now let's be serious for a second, you can't justify something being balanced because they can be avoided. Avoiding things does not mean that they are balanced in any sense. You can potentially avoid everything in this game, but it doesn't mean that it's a fair playing field. Just because you could avoid that heavy doesn't mean that heavy is balanced. With the current crits it's doing way more than it should be. Equally that ninja is unbalanced because it's sword should do more damage and it's mobility is potentially too high, but you can avoid it, strafe it, and you're saying that means it's balanced. It isn't!

I know you can take measures to avoid an arrow, plenty of people do it, and yes it's also going to allow you to avoid death more often. That does not mean archer is fair. Let's also additionally point out that you might be able to strafe very well but the average player not so much. Just because you can avoid quite a few arrows travelling at 53m/s doesn't mean that the average player can do the same in that quarter second window.

 

It's the same as blocking an assassin: you're altering your playstyle to minimise risk. If you act unpredictably, you won't die to archers.

It's got a simple counter. Just because it's not a designed game mechanic doesn't mean you can dismiss it as ridiculous.

 

At this point I'm pretty sure you still can't understand that avoiding stuff doesn't make it balanced and so I'm done trying to explain this. I think what you need to do is to go in game, play it for a while and see for yourself what everyone's talking about because I'm pretty sure you've not got any kind of grasp on the problems archer has at the moment.

 

It's incredibly easy to deal with archers if you put a little effort into it, but whatever, I can't compete with the backfire effect.

 

fashionista baybeeeeee

 

it's funny how appropriate that video is given the argument you've been trying to make

 

This has been covered before.

Not getting hit is not a counter to any class. Because not getting hit is a counter to all classes.

If the only way to avoid dying is to avoid being hit there's a problem.

 

That is not the same. Blocking an assassin is a counter put in the game. It's not altering your playstyle, it's straight up countering their ability. Unlike blocking, if you move 'unpredictably,' you can still die to an archer. Archer has no counter.

 

Content Cop sounds a lot worse than you probably meant it to sound.

 

He's trying to be idubbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbz

 

Welp, looks like I'm out of popcorn. I should stop procrastinating now. This has been one of the most heated debates about CTF in a while.